You are right, i am with you. But i am not sure, here in discussion, many of the members are sharing some ideas, some proposals, how will they be collected or worked out? Is there system for this? -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best Regards Murat TERZIOGLU PREBITS Bochumer Str. 20 44866 Bochum Deutschland Telefon: 0234/58825994 Telefax: 0234/58825995 <http://www.prebits.de/> www.prebits.de <mailto:info@prebits.de> info@prebits.de USt-ID: DE315418902 Von: Doru Serdin <doru.serdin@mediasat.ro> Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. April 2024 15:20 An: m.terzioglu@prebits.de; members-discuss@ripe.net Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025 Proposals "I find that it is not fair. If RIPE is a organisation, which affects our freedom of our internet usage, than they should handle fair" What is "fair" is fat too subjective, we should focus this discussion more on a workable solution that is agreeable for the majority of (voting) members. -- _____ Doru Serdin Network Manager Office: +4 031 82 52 657 E-mail: doru.serdin@mediasat.ro <mailto:doru.serdin@mediasat.ro> <https://www.mediasat.ro/> <https://www.alonia.ro/> Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Please advise immediately if you or your employer does not consent to Internet email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my firm shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. On 16.04.2024 4:07 PM, m.terzioglu@prebits.de <mailto:m.terzioglu@prebits.de> wrote: Hi, does it mean, that everything decided before, should be correct and legitim? Either science is not so. They thought the world was flat and so on… So you can not take everything as non changeable facts.. And here there many things, that they are from stone age. And i am free not to accept the applicable and proposed charging schemes. I find that it is not fair. If RIPE is a organisation, which affects our freedom of our internet usage, than they should handle fair Many people dont and can not contribute. Because of many aspecsts, like language barriers of them etc. The desicions will be done often from very small part of the community, often as i see in the last years, for their own interests (i realize this is a generalization, but generally).. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best Regards Murat TERZIOGLU PREBITS Bochumer Str. 20 44866 Bochum Deutschland Telefon: 0234/58825994 Telefax: 0234/58825995 <http://www.prebits.de/> www.prebits.de <mailto:info@prebits.de> info@prebits.de USt-ID: DE315418902 Von: members-discuss <mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> Im Auftrag von Michel Lanners Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. April 2024 13:22 An: members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025 Proposals On 16 Apr 2024, at 13:04, Firma KOMPEX <gabi@kompex.pl <mailto:gabi@kompex.pl> > wrote: Of course the people at RIPE made mistakes. May I remind you that address policy is decided in the working group of the same name, by the RIPE Community and not the RIPE NCC? RIPE Community is all of us, you included. RIPE NCC implements the policies the Community decides. In the old days they issued /8, /12, /14, /16, /18, /20 without any justification and demand for IP addresses. If you refer to the days before RIPE policies, then looking back from today, yes some assignments were quite generous, because it wasn’t envisioned that the Internet would become what it is today. But as long as I can remember (and I’m not the youngest anymore!), policies were always there, and no, getting IP addresses was _not_ free beer for all. Michel LANNERS CIO at LU-CIX Management G.I.E. -- <https://www.luxchat.lu/> Mail: michel.lanners@lu-cix.lu <mailto:michel.lanners@lu-cix.lu> Luxchat: @3eb2pdflrq57:01.lu-cix.luxchat.lu Phone: (+352) 28 99 29 92-81 LU-CIX Management G.I.E. 202, Z.A.E. Wolser F L-3290 Bettembourg lu-cix.lu <https://www.lu-cix.lu/> luxchat.lu <https://www.luxchat.lu/> luxembourg-internet-days.com <https://luxembourg-internet-days.com/> lunog.lu <https://www.lunog.lu/> _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/doru.serdin%40mediasa...