Confidential/Конфіденційно An interesting approach is to treat to IPs like a land, take taxes, fee as % of deal price, etc. And if we don't stop a halfway. Since land is property with all the attendant rights and limits of ownership, the IPs will also become a property. This appears to be the ultimate goal of such proposals. Not sure that thing like this is what the community really needs. -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> On Behalf Of ROSKOMNADZOR LIMITED Sent: Monday, April 15, 2024 10:49 AM To: Michel Lanners <michel.lanners@lu-cix.lu>; members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025 Proposals Holders of IPv4 are same as holders of land. Being member of RIPE mean you have ability to have resources (aka land) and vote. (like a being citizenship give only 1 (ONE) vote - doesnt matter how much taxes you pay per year!) But in addition you must pay per resources what you have/own - like a land tax. RIPE NCC is registered in NL, NL is part of EU, so - EU principes must be also apply in same way! So, in EU land taxes usually payed per (sq.m in own OR market price), nor per registered object in own. Moreover, in EU also present tax on selling operations - i.e. if someone sell resources (aka land) - its must also pay some fee as % of deal price, but RIPE didnt charge for that (what are also unfair). P.S. Michael, Im also want to remember you about that - https://www.lu-cix.lu/app/uploads/2024/01/LU-CIX-ASBL-new-price-list-2024.pd... LU-CIX non-profit organization, but your pricing different from port bandwidth (why not same price for all?) - but you calling people about "same price" is good for RIPE. Im really doesnt understand you. Sorry. On 15.04.2024 7:22, Michel Lanners wrote:
On 13 Apr 2024, at 18:35, Blake Shepherd <blake66@live.co.uk> wrote:
Please can you tell me how this company and alot of others.
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Pays the same as me please show me how ripe is equal or fair please do something and add a fee per ipv4 and ipv6 it's not hard to make it fair.
Because RIPE is a MEMBERSHIP organisation. It’s not a commercial company selling something.
If I’m asked to pay more I also want more voting rights. Consequence: the few big ones will dominate and steer RIPE in the direction THEY want. I don’t think that’s in the interest of those who yell at the unfair membership rate.
RIPE is fair because every member has the same right and the same one vote.
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