As I remember the discussions the introduction of charging for PI was to balance the XXS member alternative. What is the difference between a customer with a PI and an XXS member? If you charge for one should you not charge for the other and since you cannot charge the user of the PI you charge the LIR who allocates it -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss-admin@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-admin@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Rob Evans Sent: 02 August 2011 11:06 To: Paolo Prandini Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] New Charging Scheme Paolo, Patrick, I may be missing something here from nothing more than a quick scan of the document, but where does it say that all PI users must be members of the RIPE NCC? It mentions Direct Assignment Users, but aren't those are the chaps that already have a direct contract with the NCC under 2007-01? What prohibits the current setup of a "sponsoring LIR?" Best, Rob ---- If you don't want to receive mails from the RIPE NCC Members Discuss list, please log in to your LIR Portal account at: http://lirportal.ripe.net/ First click on General and then click on Edit. At the bottom of the page you can add or remove addresses. ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1390 / Virus Database: 1518/3805 - Release Date: 08/02/11