My opinion is the same as last year, it's very simple. If RIPE needs to raise prices a bit do so equally across the board for every LIR, but if RIPE is losing the # of LIR's due to mergers and consolidations then RIPE needs to downsize the budget accordingly. Daniel~ On 3/28/24 12:27, sdy@a-n-t.ru wrote:
I personally, last year I was an absolute supporter of the transition to payment based on the number of allocated IP addresses. WITHOUT categories.
But! This year, the economic situation in EU has changed dramatically. Therefore, I consider: the transition to payment in terms of resources is not relevant and even dangerous right now. The risk of problems for large payers in the RIPE can completely destabilize its work. Perhaps we should postpone this issue for a few years. Until the end in the coming huge economic crisis.
On 28/03/2024 16:53, sdy@a-n-t.ru wrote:
Hi Sebastien.
As you say, when you (and some other) talk about "the small" or "the large" organization, what do you mean? Let's say there are a LIR with 100,000 IPv4 addresses with a turnover of 10,000 euros per year and a profit of 5,000 euros and an organization with 254 IPv4 addresses with a turnover of 1 million euros per year, and a loss of 100,000 euros at the end of the year. Which of them is small and which is big?
Before talking about small and large organizations, you need criteria by which you will evaluate them and the possibility of collecting such information.
Let's, stop this idea until we can't answer this question. You're right, small and big can mean different things and there are various financial realities.
But the only practical metric for RIPE NCC is the number of IP addresses. From there we can only assume that LIRs with lots of IP addresses have enough money for a higher membership fee, and that LIRs with very limited finances just have their initial allocation. Far from perfect, but it is difficult to do better.
For sure, taking company data into account would be more fair, but probably impractical. You have the problem of collecting data across the whole service region, and how to consider groups. The problem is even bigger if you want to take profit into account.
Sebastien Brossier
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