Hi Shooting at the meeting cost and training cost is an easy target, but in my opinion slightly silly. RIPE NCC does live in the same economical reality as the rest of us. They can implement bugdet cuts like everyone else, so look hard at your costs and come up with cost-saving measure and let your members vote on it like they usually do at the RIPE meeting. Mvh stj. TDC AS Mobile: + 47 40 00 02 94 Direct: + 47 38 05 81 44 Fax : + 47 38 05 81 47 Ægirsv 10 N-4632 Kristiansand, Norway mailto:svein.tjemsland@tdc.no http://www.tdc.no -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Sascha Luck Sent: 4. oktober 2011 23:10 To: Christopher Kunz Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Proposed 2012 Charging scheme, Board comments Hi, On Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 10:57:49PM +0200, Christopher Kunz wrote:
I think the meeting and trainings offered by RIPE shouldn't be seen with the attitude of "I never used it, so you should pay for it". IMHO, the trainings (of which I never could attend one due to lack of a travel budget) and the meetings (ditto) serve a very important purpose for the community: They make it easier for new LIRs to receive the know-how necessary to run their services smoothly. By learning the ropes, they save all the other LIRs time and subsequently, money.
Training and meetings are two things I'd never argue for the cutting of. Centralising training is also not really an option as the RIPE membership exceeds well beyond the borders of the EU and I do not expect inbound travel to get any easier for non-EU residents due to political mood swings within the EU. Since the meetings are usuall held in EU cities anyway, I'd argue for centralising them in NL *if* it would save a significant amount of money.
That's why I'll agree to pay for trainings I never use - because I can be fairly certain I'll benefit indirectly.
Fully agree. And a suggestion to the NCC: Maybe incorporating a tutorial on subscribing to RIPE mailing lists into the LIR training would be a good idea ;)
And to the people who want RIPE to cut costs by not offering free Wi-fi at their events (etc.): Please tell me that was a joke. In my book that's like not offering complimentary seats during a train ride.
I blame Ryanair and Michael O'Leary for bringing that attitude into the world... cheers, Sascha Luck ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.