Hi, Fully agree. Best regards, Robert Robert Güntensperger Swisscom (Schweiz) AG Product IT Access Plattforms |-----Original Message----- |From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss- |bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of MB Registryno |Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 11:56 AM |Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net |Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Proposed 2012 Charging scheme, Board |comments | |Hi | |Shooting at the meeting cost and training cost is an easy target, but in |my opinion slightly silly. | |RIPE NCC does live in the same economical reality as the rest of us. | |They can implement bugdet cuts like everyone else, so look hard at your |costs and come up with cost-saving measure and let your members vote on |it like they usually do at the RIPE meeting. | |Mvh | |stj. | |TDC AS |Mobile: + 47 40 00 02 94 |Direct: + 47 38 05 81 44 |Fax : + 47 38 05 81 47 |Ægirsv 10 |N-4632 Kristiansand, Norway |mailto:svein.tjemsland@tdc.no |http://www.tdc.no |-----Original Message----- |From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss- |bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Sascha Luck |Sent: 4. oktober 2011 23:10 |To: Christopher Kunz |Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net |Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Proposed 2012 Charging scheme, Board |comments | |Hi, | |On Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 10:57:49PM +0200, Christopher Kunz wrote: |>I think the meeting and trainings offered by RIPE shouldn't be seen |with |>the attitude of "I never used it, so you should pay for it". IMHO, the |>trainings (of which I never could attend one due to lack of a travel |>budget) and the meetings (ditto) serve a very important purpose for the |>community: They make it easier for new LIRs to receive the know-how |>necessary to run their services smoothly. By learning the ropes, they |>save all the other LIRs time and subsequently, money. | |Training and meetings are two things I'd never argue for the cutting of. |Centralising training is also not really an option as the RIPE |membership exceeds well beyond the borders of the EU and I do not expect |inbound travel to get any easier for non-EU residents due to political |mood swings within the EU. |Since the meetings are usuall held in EU cities anyway, I'd argue for |centralising them in NL *if* it would save a significant amount of |money. | |>That's why I'll agree to pay for trainings I never use - because I can |>be fairly certain I'll benefit indirectly. | |Fully agree. And a suggestion to the NCC: Maybe incorporating a tutorial |on subscribing to RIPE mailing lists into the LIR training would be a |good |idea ;) | |>And to the people who want RIPE to cut costs by not offering free Wi-fi |>at their events (etc.): Please tell me that was a joke. In my book |>that's like not offering complimentary seats during a train ride. | |I blame Ryanair and Michael O'Leary for bringing that attitude into the |world... | |cheers, |Sascha Luck | |---- |If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss |mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the |general page: |https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view | |Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From |here, you can add or remove addresses. | |---- |If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss |mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the |general page: |https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/view | |Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From |here, you can add or remove addresses.