On Fri, 19 Feb 2016, Sylvain Vallerot wrote:
Many people here recalled that the last /8 policy spirit (if not the letter) is to allow newcomers to born and get the minimal IPv4 ressource to be able to jumpstart. This is what it is all about. But those newcomers do not have to be LIRs. Thinking that they should is wrong in two ways : forgetting that most companies needing to born outside there are actually EndUsers (yes, our clients quite often), and taking it for granted that a LIR has an ASN, a network, is an IP operateur itself or even an ISP, which is just wrong. But a LIR is *just* an IP distributor benefiting from a special relationship with the Ripe to *serve* its EndUsers.
Well, we have to remember the NCC financial model. Just a few years ago peoble were really worried about the economy because what was the NCC to do, and make an income from, once there was no more IPv4 address space to allocate? And the solution was as we know to push everything via membership fees and force everyone wanting address space (IPv6 or IPv4) to become a member. Certainly the NCC also wanted each and every legacy space holder to become a member. So if you as an LIR could serve 1,000 or 10,000 members, then there would be very little money to the NCC. Personally however, I agree with you. I don't think you should be forced to become an LIR just because you need some address space. What we have now is thousands of LIR:s having absolutely no interest in the RIPE community. It is just as the (now dropped) idea to force LIR:s into IPv6 in order to get IPv4 - they would of course apply for the IPv6 and never use it. Cheers, Daniel _________________________________________________________________________________ Daniel Stolpe Tel: 08 - 688 11 81 stolpe@resilans.se Resilans AB Fax: 08 - 55 00 21 63 http://www.resilans.se/ Box 45 094 556741-1193 104 30 Stockholm