Hi, (please see inline) On Wed, 26 Apr 2023, Daniel Suchy via members-discuss wrote:
Hello,
On 4/25/23 03:52, Randy Bush wrote:
now list the services provided to operators by each. you wanna get rid of ris, atlas, many dns services, new engineer education, ...?
About DNS services, for example ccTLD secondaries we have *not* to pay at all, their operator should pay to RIPE for that service. ccTLD is businesses with profits for ccTLD operators. We don't have to sponsor it within RIPE, and also there're other organisations which can help. We can provide this service, but it should be paid by ccTLDs somewhat. Also for k-root/authdns, part of costs is paid by other organisations, they pays electricity, hardware and connectivity for hosting such instances.
Strongly agree.
Yes, education is important, but at crisis times you should review spendings even here, verify that costs are effective (expenses for used premises etc). Moreover, nowadays it's possible to operate this remotelly even cheaper. Presentations can be recorded and available 24/7 to anyone. And if you look at the presentations across various events, the same materials and topics are often repeated anyway.
Yes. Completely agree.
Even with other services, you can find room for savings when money is not forthcoming. Projects Fund in general is think we can have, when we have surpluses during conjuncture. But it is a mistake to try to maintain them without reduction when there aren't.
This is what makes sense in most economies, and companies.
Such detains need in-depth audit, not only high-level naming of the some services provided. In organizations with large budgets and generally guaranteed income, there is often no tendency to seek internal savings.
The devil is always hidden in the detail.
How can this change? By electing different people to the Board?
this discussion sometimes reminds me of the US house of representatives debt ceiling discussion. let's cut everything that does not benefit my state, or fossil fuels.
But the discussion about optimization of expenses is important. It is not possible to keep saying that "we have to pay more and more because we know best how to spend your money for the good of the world". The problem is that, according to some considered models, the costs for some member increase rapidly.
So i would label them as "bad models" :-))
This will not be a issue with large companies/incumbents, but rather with small and medium ones (and yes, organisation holding 16k IPv4 addresses is *small* I think. And in some countries, especially in the area of Eastern Europe, that financial jump in expenses in category-based can be a huge problem. We have to remember that there are not only members from rich regions. The discussion is not about cutting everything. But it is necessary to consider empathetically from the point of view of organizations that come from poorer regions. And in this, those of the richer ones may fail somewhat.
I think that factor was never considered. The RIPE NCC service region spans through more than 70 economies. Maybe that is one of the issues........ Regards, Carlos
- Daniel
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