Hi, On Mon, 26 Sep 2016, Erik Bais - A2B Internet wrote: (...)
If you stop paying your ripe membership fees, you lose your rights that are connected to that LIR ( including the Right of use of the IP space) Not with Legacy .. as RIPE isn't able to 'reclaim' an asset that isn't theirs ...
In that regard, I truely don't understand why the RIPE NCC asks legacy space holders if they want to convert their legacy space to RIPE PA space ... which has a huge impact for the rights of the legacy space holders...
Precisely!!! In practice it means the holder can lose its own asset(s) in the future. As i read it, this was kind of a compromise to normalize/enable service from the RIPE NCC to legacy resource holders. I was against it (being one of the 2012-07 co-authors...), but my concerns didn't get enough traction. (...)
I can understand that a legacy space holder can keep the space "received" before the existence of the NCC, but not the fact that others can acquire that kind of space and pretend to the same treatment.
Yes, they can. And the RIPE NCC is right not to try to step into that pitfall as they are not a party between the legal holder and the new legal holder. Just because the RIPE NCC is in the same business of leasing out IP space to others, doesn't mean that they can meddle with other parties in the same region that have a similar status as the RIPE NCC ( legacy holders being able to Allocate space to other parties) .. even if they are not called a RIR ...
Exactly. But luckly, afaik, most LRHs are not actively pursueing that kind of business....... :-)
And on a last note on the point of the board in regards of stopping the free lir sign-up for legacy holders ... I think this should be stopped directly. <period>
Yup. +1 (i think i already voiced a +1 on this before) Regards, Carlos Friaças (pt.rccn)
We don't have to sponsor legacy space holders in order to become a LIR.. if they can't cough up a setup fee after being able to use the space for free since 1994, they will never be able to pay the membership fees.. and I'm not buying that sobbing story .. It will also stop the agreements for small /29 or /28 legacy prefixes just to get a free /22..
Regards, Erik Bais
-- Radu-Adrian FEURDEAN
---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/
Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.
---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/
Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.