It's not charging retroactively. Retroactively charging for the PI space would be sending invoices out for every year from '92 to to date, which is not happening.
What is happening that the price has changed from 0 to 50 EUR/year (well, the draft price).
mind you that PI registrants never agreed to any contract that allows "price changes" and that "choosing" to have their allocations removeed instead of either paying a LIR, with whom they would usually have an agreement that only covers a one time payment, or several thousand euros to ripe directly, OR GIVE UP THEIR ALLOCATIONS and therefore cause significant damage to their business :P is pure blackmail. you cant first tell someone "sure we will register ip sppace for your company, please pay 2500 euros which covers our work and the first 2 years in which potentially our ripe-score could be affected by this registration (PI and AS numbers only count for 2 years in the score), and then go "oops, now you have to either pay a few 1000 to ripe OR a few hundred to us (most customers have as numberrs AND PI space)"... thats blackmail. -- Sven Olaf Kamphuis CB3ROB DataServices Phone: +31/87-8747479 Skype: CB3ROB MSN: sven@cb3rob.net C.V.: http://www.linkedin.com/in/cb3rob Confidential: Please be advised that the information contained in this email message, including all attached documents or files, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual or individuals addressed. Any other use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. On Thu, 18 Jun 2009, Martin List-Petersen wrote:
Hank Nussbacher wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009, Andrea Cima wrote:
4) " - Direct assignments will have a recurring charge per assignment and the fee will be EUR 50 per direct assignment" - Operates for all direct assignments? or Only new direct assignments (included after 3 May, 2009)?
All Assignments made since 1992 will be included.
I have stated it before and I'll state it again - changing the billing rules retroactively is wrong. Maybe even EU legally wrong. Allocations made in the 1990s should not be billed. By all means recover unannounced allocations by whatever means necessary, but charging LIRs for allocations made in 1995 is wrong.
It's not charging retroactively. Retroactively charging for the PI space would be sending invoices out for every year from '92 to to date, which is not happening.
What is happening that the price has changed from 0 to 50 EUR/year (well, the draft price).
It's like an update of pricing or the terms and conditions, so you can consider to either give your allocation back and won't be charged in the future or you'll pay the price.
This has nothing to do with retroactively charging. It's just a change of the fee from now and on.
Kind regards, Martin List-Petersen -- Airwire - Ag Nascadh Pobail an Iarthair http://www.airwire.ie Phone: 091-865 968
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