+1. This looks clearly personal. Especially those half-anonymous
complains ("Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]") look strange to me
(no offense). And William, thank you for sharing all the details about
your personal life (Who is more evil?) - but probably most people here
do not find it interesting (just an assumption).
"Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]", William, did you two somehow
organize to get together today to start this? I dont need an answer.
Focus on facts please and keep the noise low. Thank you.
The Management.
Am 21.11.2013 17:21, schrieb Christian Hoffmann [sfip84 Hosting und mehr
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Hey,
am i the only person having the feeling that there is a private issue
going on here?
I mean come on, this guy has the bigger one, i am jalous too, but as
part of the RIPE NCC i think i really should trust the persons working
for the NCC.
For my understanding with every new allocation (and he has a lot..)
there is an Audit going on.
Ok, he is announcing part of the networks outside the RIPE Area, but for
my understanding that is ok as long as the company and the core network
is based in Europe. Or did i missed something.
Am 21.11.2013 17:12, schrieb William Weber:
Hello together,
So so so, finally he can reply - Hello there Mr. Lu, why were my
previous contact tries ignored?
I was in fact *AT YOUR ADDRESS* in Holland in 2012, nobody there - I
would have someone sent to your address in China also, but that one is
unclear described.
I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me
personally and my private company as well
I do not need to share any sources (what is this, the PLA?), all data
was obtained legally in my country of residence (Slovenia) and Austria
- I can not vouch for correctness but in the past it was usually near
the expected.
Not like your data is secret in the Netherlands.
making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate publish
our private income data in the public space without supporting
evidence are very serious offense under european law, although my
lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I insists my self to
write here just because I would appreciate member's understanding and
community's support.
I'm not sure what gives you the idea that Dutch law would be
applicable to me in Slovenia/Austaira (or at all, considering that
Slovenia/Austria as per constitution cannot extradict citizens)?
The statement of mine - *POSSIBLE* bribe - Is fully legal to make,
even the implication of it would be - The RIPE ticket system is also
not the public and neither is the mailing list, it is a closed system.
You can sue me all you want, i have not much to loose currently, and
once cleared move to Israel which does neither extradict nor care much
about Europe.
The Austrian police confiscated my hardware 2012 and 2013, the
Austrian police investigates my financial transactions, the Polish
police wants to see me in jail (and has an order for that), Hongkong
authorities are not amused, my phones and internet is taped, i am
being followed by the Austrian police.
Just google my name and add "tor" and you get an image, you (and no
one else) can threaten me with "law" anymore.
I will reply more lenghty later, because even though the Austrian
government does not like me they still send me invitations to
broadband expansion forums and force me to attend and speak.
Also, most here agree with me and you CLEARLY violate RIPE policies
with the ARIN routing and others - So *you* are the one that should
explain himself, not me.
This is also a note: *The statements here are fully personal or
statements of my own companies, not EDIS GmbH which is however one LIR
i represent.*
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Am 21.11.2013 um 16:44 schrieb "H.Lu" <h.lu@anytimechinese.com
<mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com>>:
Hi
We do not want to sue "anybody" here, sorry for mistyping English.
we followed all the process in the Ripe region, and I personally
involved and participated in the Ripe policy development process,
To inasset network:
I wonder how you as single organization define "best interest of ripe
member" and justifying other member's IP usage?
Kind regards
Lu
On 2013-11-21, at 下午12:26, "Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]"
<admin@inasset.es <mailto:admin@inasset.es>> wrote:
Good Afternoon (in Europe)
Mr. Lu, we will follow your activities closely, and see if RIPE NCC
takes action in the event the use of your assigned space is not in
the best interest of its members.
For now, we would like to know why you are announcing RIPE NCC space
in ARIN.
*Administration* - [ inAsset Networks ]
El 21/11/2013, a las 16:02, H.Lu <h.lu@anytimechinese.com
<mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com>> escribió:
Hi:
What a surprise morning.
I think it was talking about me and my company.
To clarify few things, the justification process of our application
took very long in ripe NCC and I believe ripe NCC investigate about
us heavily in the major service we provided at the time of it being
justified. and corruption claim are very much inappreicate and I
would ask you apologizes to Ripe NCC.
Me as individual as been actively involved in the ripe community in
past 5 years, and I believe most active member in the list knowing
me personally.
I wondering where you have the inaccurate income data about me
personally and my private company as well. as it can not be obtain
legally and the data was not correct. I personally owing quite few
companies worldwide but they are all private companies I do not
feel the need to share our financial details publicly.
Most part of our business are confidential so sorry we can not
provide more details here, like every request, Member base are
trusting Ripe NCC to make the right decision at the time of
application. That is how business really works, only Ripe NCC has
rights to getting into confidential area of member's business,
otherwise I believe every member would have to publish
every detail about their business to the public.
And I would ask if you do have more questions for me, as long as
it is not confidential, I'd like to share my stories with you.
Please do not bother Ripe NCC for this matter any more.
At this point, Ripe NCC are just a book keeper for its members and
Ripe community, they are not police force, if you do feel we have
some unlawful practice--thought I seriously doubt about it, please
contact related law enforcement and we are very happy to assist in
the matter with them.
Last but not least, as I just had phone call with my lawyer,
making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate
publish our private income data in the public space without
supporting evidence are very serious offense under european law,
although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I
insists my self to write here just because I would appreciate
member's understanding and community's support.
Let me know if you still have more questions.
Kind regards
Lu
On 2013-11-21, at 上午11:05, William Weber
<ripe-members-discussion@edisglobal.com
<mailto:ripe-members-discussion@edisglobal.com>> wrote:
As RIPE seems to have decided that i can be ignored and no one
needs to reply to me i make this public now as threatened to them
before - See Dear Andrew, i don't care what you say - if you don't
reply me with anything useful then i take steps to get others
involved.
This is not the first time i reported a LIR for evaluation and was
ignored.
I waited over a month for any reply and sent multiple follow up
mails, no replies and the ticket is "open" in the Lirportal, now
the last reply i got was again useless and without any interest
(No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR report form to report
LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that there.)
Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text i prepared before i
sent my mail to RIPE after some investigations (which merely took
10 minutes time and a few calls to some associates) - Now, isn't
that proof enough for an evaluation?
I think so and the other LIRs i represent do as well, but make
your own picture.
--
Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is based on a
sole-trader in the Netherlands which managed to have
RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space totaling to a /8:
His name is Heng Lu, also known as "OutsideHeaven" -
http://outsideheaven.com <http://outsideheaven.com/>
Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of Chinese origin and
does (as far as informations go) not live in Europe at all.
First being a customer of OVH and having his IP space announced on
OVHs AS now most space seems to be announced by Los Angeles based
ISP Multacom (AS35916).
A short view on the website shows that no real services are
provided yet massive amounts of IPs are registered to him
personally, him as sole trader or his companies at all RIRs:
154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs
This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company in the Seychelles
("Abacus (Seychelles) Limited"), the Person handle and mail shows
the connection to OutsideHeaven.
The network itself contains smaller assignments, all with the
descr of "CloudInnovation infrastructure" and various countries
set (AD, SD, YT….), most IPs are not announced at all and seem unused.
5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs
A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by Multacom in LAX outside
of the RIPE region.
Seems unused.
5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs
RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months after the /15 was
allocated, exactly the timeframe RIPE required a space to be used
in to get a new one…), announced on OVH.
37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs
Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can spell 'bribe'?)
announced by OVH on France, unused as well.
46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs
Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter in the Netherlands,
unused.
31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs
2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom.
List (not complete, there is more smaller assignments on him):
154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs
185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09
5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09
5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07
37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04
31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04
46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11
178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06
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Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht:
*Von: *William Weber <william@edis.at <mailto:william@edis.at>>
*Betreff: **Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIR*
*Datum: *09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ
*An: *Andrew de la Haye <andrew@ripe.net <mailto:andrew@ripe.net>>
Dear Andrew,
And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i know
guys buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, the same
LIR as this mail is about "bought" space there also,
154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, so
what tells me RIPE did/does not do the same...
Sorry, but this is not really any better now:
This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even far
from you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income reports
filled 2012/2013 in the Netherlands for his BVs and his sole
trader status and has one of the largest total
allocations in the entire RIPE region?
How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los
Angeles while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a measly
/24 on an ARIN ASN?
Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and
never contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at
add-alloc?
How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his
upstream provider?
This all is still very fishy and not really impressive...
Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards,
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Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la Haye <andrew@ripe.net
<mailto:andrew@ripe.net>>:
Dear William,
We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket
has been escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE
NCC's Registration Services Department.
Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address space,
we implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation procedure to
ensure a fair, neutral and well-documented IPv4 run-out.
This procedure was communicated to our membership and community
at meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group Mailing List,
and via our website. You can find the complete description at:
https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf
Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled on
a first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we followed
due diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP Resource
Analysts. Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or /18 PI or
more) were rigorously evaluated by Registration Services
Management, checked for policy compliance by our Policy
Development Officer, and were finally approved by two RIPE NCC
Senior Managers.
The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process
completely and, based on the information we received, were
entirely justified.
If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me.
Kind regards
Andrew de la Haye
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RIPE NCC
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Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster
<hostmaster@ripe.net <mailto:hostmaster@ripe.net>>:
Dear William,
As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC Senior
Management.
They will come back to you ASAP.
Best regards,
Andrea Cima
RIPE NCC
On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote:
Dear Andrea,
So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not exist
at all?
Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a
suitcase of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse
than what 3rd world dictators state all the time about bribery...
Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE
members add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely
*impossible* to prove lies in them (hey, how should i do that if
i can't read them at all?) - Thus it clearly is your obligation
to verify this claims OR provide the accuser with access to a
system to verify it himself.
It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest
allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 is
reached to an unknown sole trader without any business.... yes,
i think i have enough 'proof' to get this verified by the RIPE,
please escalate it to whoever you think is appropriate or i will
do so myself today at 00:00 via the RIPE mailing list to ALL
members.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards,
William Weber
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Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster
<hostmaster@ripe.net <mailto:hostmaster@ripe.net>>:
Dear William,
All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and
documentation that
demonstrates the need for those resources. The information
provided by
members is confidential and cannot be shared with other members.
If you have proof that a member has provided false information
to the
RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can then
start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. The same
counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having received a
bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take
lightly.
Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date on
which
the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct date is 14
September 2012. Please find the official announcement at:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html
Kind regards,
Andrea Cima
Registration Services Manager
RIPE NCC
On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote:
x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and
at.<removed>, li.<removed>, li.<removed>, plus representing
<removed> and <removed>)
Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone....
LIR is nl.outsideheaven
I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have
either used false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies or
bribes (which i see as the most likely) - His company has no
trading activity in any country (verified with Dutch and
Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify the
usage of this amounts of IPv4 space.
His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most are
for example not even announced inside the RIPE region but
originate from AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) solely.
The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are
very questionable as well and overturning a members and board
decision.
185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09
-> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE
5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09
-> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE
-> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE reached
the last /8?
5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07
-> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE
-> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE reached
the last /8?
37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04
-> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE reached
the last /8?
31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04
-> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE
Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards,
William Weber
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