Indeed, The telephone network is a country-centric setup where countries set up their own network and therefore claim control, even nowadays companies like vodafone still don't have one global single-tarif telephone network with a single "country" code, but still have individual countrycodes and tarifs within their infrastructure. Question remains if we, the owners of the internet infrastructure, -want- to outsource power over our infrastructure to such a club, which no doubt has got the intention of regulating it -per country- or wether we would rather have the network-as-a-whole governed by OUR representatives directly in the UN (if any change in how the internet is "managed" needs to take place anyway). After all, -we- have the biggest stick. we own the wires and the routers and the switches, most of the content and servers and most of the buildings this infrastructure is in. Countries get an infrastructure to run their economy on, but thusfar, there have been no real attempts by those countries to take control. now this is one mayor step towards handing over our power over the infrastructure to individual country governments instead of managing it ourselves like we always have done, and incase the country where your mailbox happens t be doesn't do what you like you can still fire everyone there and move your mailbox (and tax money) somewhere else ;). Once this ITU thing is in place, they could obtain total control over the distribution of address space... (at least on ipv6 ;) On the other hand, it does make it easier to terminate services to individual countries that don't act in the interest of the isps :P We indeed, prefer to stay with the current setup :P I'd rahter shut the thing down than hand over control to corrupt governments that frequently don't even act in the interest of their own voters (if they even have democracy ;) This "secondary" addressing thing won't be very "secondary" for long i bet you, this is clearly an attempt to take control over OUR network. If they want regulation, fine, we'll have a nice meeting and send some delegates to the UN, so those old-economy countries can discuss what they want and we'll tell them if we're going to implement that or not. The internet is a global network and it should STAY that way. -- Sven Olaf Kamphuis, CB3ROB Ltd. & Co. KG (AS34109) CBSK1-RIPE On Thu, 25 Feb 2010, Niels Dettenbach wrote:
Dear all here,
i'm really confused by the current debate around ITUs "idea" of a secondary address registry system. From our view the internet got a huge commercialization over the last decade and many peoples seems not aware that this net got his success mainly from community driven organization and policies.
My personal meaning is: As i remember the ITU and the telco industry traditionally got driven and leaded mainly by commercial interests and - in many countries - lobbyism of a few local peoples.
Along with the ongoing soft migration from circuit to packet switched networking even in the telco industry the ITU looses significant power and influence into the telco industry worldwide.
We are very happy with the RIPE, most RIPE policies and RIPEs work over many years and got similiar reports from users in other Registries. Wee see the independence from local country policies as a very important base for a best as possible equal treatment of all internet users.
ITUs typical concept which empowers local countries to held and distribute network address ressources seems outdated and obsolete in the view of many IP and even telco users.
Not only that two different system will bring up significantly more overhead for nothing. The diversification of policies will lead to many unclear juristical problems, political disputes in many levels and make an most equal treatment of all peoples as (potentially) IP users impossible on earth.
Bringing the liability for IP address space to origin countries will lead to abusive policies and lobbyism within certain countries. Similiar policies as thought by the ITU still happens since decades for the distribution of satellite space segments where each country helds a dedicated segment of the geostationary satellite orbit.
There are countries which aren't using such segments byself or for their peoples - instead they rented or selled it to somewhere but the income got directed to some private pockets...
I see no advantage for any of the IP users in the "new" concept from ITU which seems mainly a trial to renew their old and obsolete concepts into the IP world and to bring themselves into IP. It may help to grow lobbyism and save todays obsolete business and political concepts.
Just my two cents... Cheers,
Niels.
Btw: sorry for my bad english...
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