Hi,

the problem is that it's currently cheaper and easier to rent IPv4 space
from a 3rd party, than to sign up for LIR membership and MAYBE get some
space through the waiting list system.

Going price for a /24 seems to be around 60 EUR a month, which equates
to around 720 EUR a year.

The RIPE sign up fee and yearly maintenance is much much higher; a small
hosting company that's just starting out might not be able to afford it.
I was in this exact spot just over a year ago.

Kind Regards,
Filip


On 11/29/19 15:26, Bernd Naumann wrote:
> Petru,
>
> Maybe you start first with reading the updates, ok?
>
> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 14:49:52 +0200
> Subject: [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Member Update October 2019
>
> where you can find the following
>
> > https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/ipv4/how-waiting-list-works
> > Who Can Join the Waiting List?
> >
> > In order to submit an IPv4 request, the following criteria apply:
> >
> >    You must have completed the process to become a RIPE NCC member
> (LIR)
> >    The LIR requesting addresses must not have received an IPv4
> allocation from the RIPE NCC previously (including via the waiting list)
> >    The allocation must be used to make assignments
> >    The address space must be used on a network with at least one
> active element in the RIPE NCC service region
>
>
> > The LIR requesting addresses must not have received an IPv4
> allocation from the RIPE NCC previously (including via the waiting list)
>
> Which clearly applies for NEW "startups", or any other org which has
> no ASN and IPv4 right now but plans to do so. Yet uncool that a bunch
> of people do speculation with exhausted/exhausting resources and do
> not free up space.
>
>
> I have a hard time following the thoughts of these evangelist of greed.
>
> So at least the process is formalized, but I agree that "we" have to
> wait and see if that even works out.
>
> Please, stay calm and civilized.
>
> Bernd
>
>
> On 29.11.19 14:23, Petru Bunea wrote:
>> Perhaps you could enlighten all of us how a company that will be a
>> startup next year (for example) and needs BGP and IPv4 would be able
>> to work if they are not even able to buy IPs from the grey market?
>> Did you even think before hitting the send button ? Really now ...
>>
>>> On 29 Nov 2019, at 14:57, Lutz Donnerhacke
>>> <L.Donnerhacke@iks-service.de> wrote:
>>>
>>> I believe RIPE NCC can disprove your claim by listing IPv4 resources
>>> which were given back by (still existing) LIRs in the past.
>>> And yes, I also support forcing takeback of resources by RIPE (i.e.
>>> by revoking rPKI certs) if they are sold to a different party.
>
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