Guten Tag Ich bin vom 17.7.23. bis am 3.8.23 abwesend. Die Nachrichten werden in diese Zeit nur sporadisch gelesen. Für dringende Angelegenheiten wenden Sie sich bitte an: support@nexphone.ch Freundliche Grüsse Oli Roth Am 14.07.2023 um 18:43 schrieb Cynthia Revström via members-discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net>:
Hi,
First of all I want to point out that I think at least the charging scheme proposal that was just a 5% increase was basically the option to compensate for inflation.
We also have to remember that the Executive Board has a very difficult job to balance everything. Especially when just a small minority of the membership votes on things and an even smaller minority gives them actual input on mailing lists and in open house sessions.
I suspect that a large reason for why so many members don't vote is just that they have better things to do and they trust the executive board to responsibly manage the association. This is largely why I personally don't think they should even have offered a charging scheme that they knew would likely result in the NCC being underfunded. But I also understand why they added it so I don't want to go too hard on them because it is a very difficult task.
-Cynthia
On Fri, Jul 14, 2023 at 4:19 PM Brandon Butterworth <hostmaster@bogons.net> wrote: On Fri Jul 14, 2023 at 02:05:45PM +0200, Sander Steffann wrote:
Personally I think the outcome of the recent vote was a bad decision. Inflation causes salaries for staff to have to go up, and if we as members refuse to pay for that, what does that say about us?
It is not about us, it is about how we want RIPE to manage decreasing membership and increasing costs.
It does not say anything about salaries, though some may have a view on that. RIPE will have to balance their salary and other costs however they see fit, we were not asked to consider that detail.
I hope that in the future the board will do the voting in another way: - First vote on what we want the NCC to do, and thereby deciding on how much money needs to be spent - Then vote on the charging scheme to decide on how the members will contribute to fund what has been decided on
The two are linked, having them separate in a time of high inflation and reducing membership is a problem.
RIPE set themselves up to fail.
If it had been a simple vote for an inflation linked increase I would probably have voted yes.
Instead a change to the charging scheme was proposed which would reduce the charge for the large number of recent members, perhaps in an attempt to retain them as it is predicted many will sell their newly aquired addresses.
However the new scheme was tiered rather than a per IP scheme
This would have moved the bulk of costs of inflation and decreasing membership on to slightly larger members who would see significantly larger fees in future years too.
So I voted for the old scheme, and no increase, to tell RIPE they need to address the increasing costs and falling membership rather than expect us to just carry on paying more.
Now we have voted to give the NCC too little money to compensate its staff for inflation, yet we still expect the same (or better) service. That doesn???t make sense.
It is perfectly sensible. It is saying we want the costs controlled not rapidly increasing fees and unfair new charging schemes.
brandon
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