there are rules.!!? 1-i wont speak for the third time.. 2-telling the truth or looking for justice or magic-mushrooms or cocain; wont help anybody... even it should..:) 3-we cannot bgp uplevels, at the ipv6 case..just because , they are not into it.. even if, they refuse to use bgp 4.. i do " live" exact conditions u, may perceive.. guess it is "a fine life line" a-dont fight for ip4 b-try ipv6 and be free... z.h.n. ps1:first rule of ipv6.. you do not talk about ipv6 :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sven Olaf Kamphuis" <sven@cb3rob.net> To: "hakan hn. nebioglu" <hakan@acikisp.com> Cc: "James Blessing" <jblessing@llnw.com>, members-discuss@ripe.net Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 1:04:30 AM Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Surprise on renew fees On Wed, 14 Dec 2011, hakan hn. nebioglu wrote:
up to now.. i have never spoken... i do now...!!! this guys are working at the edge.. it must be hot on the side of the sun... ip addresses getting low. and nobody concieve ip 6... it is a hard world...or whatever..
we did. just that we cannot go to: - google - facebook - youtube - twitter with it, despite the fact that all of them have demonstrated to have a working set up more than 9 months ago. jeez people, it took us less time to migrate everything from ax.25 with bpq over ethernet to ipv4 back in the packet radio days than it's taking these people to "turn on" something they already have... as for cable and xdsl providers, they have no excuse at all, just put the stuff into -briding mode- with autoconfig for all i care and ditch the crappy pppoe/pppoa if that doesn't "work" on the CPE and you don't feel like shipping new ones or kicking your vendor in the butt and force them to make a firmware upgrade for 10 year old adsl modems. (even with 10 year old ones, there is no excuse for a 20 year old protocol not to be supported ;)
i WILL pay my price.. and i advice u must do the same..
thanks ripe.tahnks for everything...... ps:i am 50 years old..pls stand stiil...and be thankfull.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Blessing" <jblessing@llnw.com> To: members-discuss@ripe.net Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:32:47 PM Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Surprise on renew fees
On 14/12/2011 09:27, Manfred F. Schramm wrote:
You can tend to the opinion 'once claimed always claimed', no new monetary assessment. You can also tend to the opinion 'each loaned IP-Range is to be regarded equally, whether newly assigned or assigned years ago'.
What i can understand is some members 'feeling', the elder members did some 'protection of establishment'.
The proposed (and counter proposed) fee structures for 2012 did try and address this by taking out the time limitations but the membership (or at least those that voted) did not believe that the final proposed fee structure was acceptable and therefore the 2011 one was re-used.
The NCC board (I believe) have taken these views on board and are looking to propose a new structure for 2013 that addresses this issue, tries to tie membership fees to 'size' more accurately and also provides a fully costed breakdown of the individual elements in the activity plan for 2013. They will also have to take into account the tax implications of changing the charging structure.
The membership will have plenty of time to read and respond to these documents when published and vote on them next year. If you have strong views or wish to publish your own ideas for a charging scheme I'm sure the NCC board (and the rest of the membership) will be willing to discuss them (or tear them to pieces as the mood dictates).
J
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