It is clear: "If I got something for free, then I don't want to pay for it. Even if it is very expensive and necessary for everyone." But arguments to not pay for /24 has next problems. 1. The equality of members and their votes is fixed by the charter of the NCC and does not depend on the payment in any way - forget this issue forever. 2. Payment in accordance with the amount of resources used is not prohibited anywhere or in any way - all these arguments about Dutch law are nonsense. 3. The nature of the activity (commercial or non-commercial) is determined not by the fundraising per peers, but by its established goals and the way income is distributed among the participants. And is fixed by the charter NCC. !!! Now a little bit about the decision and the vote. !!! The most important thing we are facing right now is the passivity of 90% of NCC members. They are all full-rights participants and should take part in General meetings in a good way. But in fact, the issues are decided on GM by the votes of 600-700 members out of 22000. I see this as a purposeful approach by the core of the old NCC members (who are big resource holders) and unfortunately the NCC management. Most of the LIRs not to be subscribers on [members-discuss], do not participate in GM, and do not even understand their role and rights in the community. For a fair solution of such complex issues as the payment scheme and the prospects for the future of the NCC, it is necessary to attract the large number of LIRs. I would like the management of the NCC to take a closer look at these problems. Serbulov Dmitry.
Hi,
On Sat, May 31, 2025 at 01:36:27PM +0300, Jean Salim wrote:
We missed you Gert, I was surprised you disappeared as you're always the one to mislead the conversation away from charging scheme. I would like yo hear your proposal on an alternative charging scheme that more fair to small LIRs. I myself, as pointed out before, prefer the ARIN model.
"1 LIR, 1 vote, 1 fee for the membership" seems to be the one where most LIRs can actually *agree* on.
Every charging scheme will be unfair to some - we had categories, and that was unfair to some, we had flat fees, and those are unfair to some, and even if we introduce fee-by-/24, it will be unfair to some.
Even if we totally ignore IPv4, there will still be people that say "someone with a larger yearly budget should pay more", and "non-profit members should be free!", and maybe they are right. But if we go there, some people will have to pay more than they did the year before, and they will find this unfair.
Conclusions left as homework to the reader.
Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?
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