We agree! But with “rightful” being the key word. IP addresses exist to identify devices on an IP network and facilitate routing of IP traffic. If there are addresses without any devices, surely they aren’t being “rightfully used”? Or even “used”? Paul Webb - Director Clearstream Technology Ltd ASN59455 Hallo! Also I can understand the frustration I do have to state that we have known for many years that IPv4 are a limited resource. Considering current market prices which are at approx. 35€ per IP a /24 subnet can be purchased for roughly 9.000 Euro. This is, also quite a neat price, still not unaffordable. (Especially when thinking about the price for routers, licenses …) So yes, in the past IPv4 addresses were ‘free’, but that’s not the case any longer. Ranting about it won’t make new IPs materialize out of thin air. What can we do? 1. Push the content deliverers to fully support IPv6 in all their services 2. Train our own customers in the usage of v6 RIPE is already actively hunting down unused resources and are imho doing a good job at it. Taking resources away from their rightful owners? Seriously? I wouldn’t want to walk down that path. Best regards, Karl Kaiser Von: D. Walde - Walde IT-Systemhaus <walde@wcs-online.de<mailto:walde@wcs-online.de>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. Mai 2025 23:43 An: members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Betreff: [members-discuss] Re: Reminder that Charging Scheme Task Force comments are open until the end of the month Sie erhalten nicht häufig E-Mails von walde@wcs-online.de<mailto:walde@wcs-online.de>. Erfahren Sie, warum dies wichtig ist<https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification> We have several problems. 1. There are enough admins who understand IPv4 with 255 but unfortunately not IPv6. 2. I myself have been on the waiting list for a meager /24 subnet for almost 600 days. 3. The world can do IPv6 but is too good to use it. See Twitter/x.com. 4. Those who make a lot of money from it, like Cogent, rent out IPv4 at prices that I simply find crap. They line their pockets, while others pay the same amount and have to wait 600 days for a /24. That can't be right. The problem shows that we have to work towards goals for equality. - The goal should be to return unused IPv4, either voluntarily or by force. - Putting IPv4 networks on a list that requires a usage fee - Deactivating IPv4 now and definitively at a specific time It can't be that I pay €2,000 for nothing (yes, I have IPv6) while others pocket millions of euros/dollars by renting IPv4. While I wait 600 days for a 24-hour service. This has to end. We need approaches and solutions. Regards, Dirk Walde, CEO of Walde IT-Systeme PS: Your opinions, please. Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen Walde IT-Systemhaus - CEO Dirk Walde - IT-Specialist Mangenberger Str. 76 - D-42655 Solingen - Germany +49(0)212-3833235 - info@walde-it.de<mailto:info@walde-it.de> - http://www.walde-it.de<http://www.walde-it.de/> NETWORK AS203226 + AS199679 + AS199681 / ABUSE: abuse@waldeit.de<mailto:abuse@waldeit.de> ** RIPE NCC Full Member - RIPE LIR Service ** DREG ID: 11/075 (§6 TKG) - TAX ID: DE159795091 Kees Meijs | Nefos via members-discuss schrieb: Hi, I guess the persuading is more about systems integrators and local systems c.q. network administrators. If they don't push or ask about IPv6, end-users will never even be able to use IPv6 even if they wanted to. (Gosh, I miss those SixXS days...) Back in the days but very recently as well, I've met administrators who have "look for IPv6 support and turn it off" almost on the top of their list when onboarding new customers or when installing new (virtual) equipment. It seems if they're actually afraid of the protocol because it looks different. When turning it off, they do not need to think about it any more, there is nothing that could break (because they do not comprehend it) and so on. "Ignorance is bliss." So in short: we (the professional networking community) should actively educate, and then (in that order) maybe even dictate IPv6. Lastly, just a thought to think about: would it be a coincidence that "them" are mostly (if not always) Windows administrators? Cheers, Kees On 27-05-2025 16:55, NEUCKENS Marc via members-discuss wrote: Strong technical teams that could convince their management to do the effort and/or competitors that started first, are the key differentiators why they support or not ipv6. 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