Same as the previous Le 17/02/16 16:46, Pat Donegan a écrit :
Likewise please
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*From:*members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] *On Behalf Of *Omar Dallah *Sent:* 17 February 2016 15:42 *To:* members-discuss@ripe.net; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster' <hostmaster@ripe.net>; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' <new-lir@ripe.net> *Subject:* [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list
Dears,
Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help.
Regards,
Omar Dallah
*From:*members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] *On Behalf Of *Matthijs van Seventer *Sent:* 17 February 2016 16:58 *To:* BOGDAN Orasanu; 'Markus'; members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
Hello all,
LIR’s that don’t use IPv4 adresses should be able to return them. The only parties that will win otherwise are brokers with ridiculous prices.
Matthijs
*Van:*members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] *Namens *BOGDAN Orasanu *Verzonden:* woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:53 *Aan:* 'Markus' <universe@truemetal.org <mailto:universe@truemetal.org>>; members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu <claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com <mailto:claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com>> *Onderwerp:* Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
Hi there,
I administer such a small ISP, that had to return somehow by force half of the allocated IP addreses. This way of doing bussiness should not be encouraged by RIPE, i instead of RIPE will ask a huge LIR that managed milions of IP addresses how come they were able to transfer maybe half of them ? They were only reserved and not used ? Or eliberated of usage thtought some means in order to capitalise ? LIR should be able to manage respurces only toward end user and not among LIRs exept and ISP that want to manage their own address space and not for trade. The resource belongs to public not to lirs.
Best regards, Bogdan Orasanu Senior Network Administrator SC Expert Net SRL
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Hi Markus,
The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this the resources are sold. It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone will do something like this. We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a new lir we cannot help in the matter. We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address space from Romania with the same issue.
Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu
-----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
Hi Claudiu,
Am 17.02.2016 <tel:17.02.2016> um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu:
No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. [...]
can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up?
I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro <http://www.ip.ro>) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics>
Do they have something to do with what you described?
Cheers Markus
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