On 23. May 2025, at 14:39, sdy@a-n-t.ru wrote:
The community was created and we joined as its members to organize an open and stable inter-network interaction. But now, we have the systematic problem of lack of IPv4 and AS 32 resources. This creates unequal market conditions for new and old players. This discrediting RIPE NCC as a community of equals. We really need to do something about this!
We did do something about that. It’s called IPv6 and 32bit ASNs (I assume you ment 16bit AS in your text). Anything else is wishful thinking.
These companies (as being major players) are the least interested in changing the situation, including switching to IPv6. On RIPE's errors approach to address allocation, they have become owners of a large unical resource.
I’ve been active in the APWG for many many years now and I don’t recall any policy that was implemented that I would see as an erroneous approach. Also this is the discussion of the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme not the APWG. Leaving aside that many large members had their addresses before RIPE and the RIPE NCC existed, many large resource holders DO implement IPv6 because even with their vast address space they run out of it. Otherwise atrocities like CGNAT wouldn’t exist.
We must increase the payment for the VARIABLE part annually until at least 15% of the resources become available for distribution.
How? People are using these resources. And even when the resources can be returned there will NEVER bei 15% available as they would be gone immediately again. It’s just math. We don’t have enough to go around. We did as much as we could so that people would get some resources even after the runout. And even that policy was abused.
At the same time, the community should allocate the funds received in excess of the planned budget for the transition from IPv4 to IPv6 or other new protocols. This can be the preparation of educational programs, the translation of articles into local languages, the completion and popularization of improvements to the IP stack or of training programs, the development of software to simplify migration and other initiatives.
“Other new protocols” is something that doesn’t exist and will not exist in any useful timeframe. It’s futile to hope for a magic fix that someone just hasn’t thought about until now. The solution is IPv6 and AS32. The RIPE NCC already does all the things you mentioned. It could do it more effectively maybe but then people scream about the budget again. I don’t see any new arguments in any of these mails, just the wishful thinking that the world shouldn’t be as it is right now. Well, I have this wishful thinking about a lot of things in the world but it doesn’t change the position we’re in now and that there are solutions. Magically manifesting more scarce resources into existence isn’t one and I’m really getting tired of it. Regards Sebastian -- Sebastian Wiesinger Senior Principal Network Architect Service Integration noris network AG Thomas-Mann-Straße 16-20 90471 Nürnberg Deutschland Tel +49 911 9352 1459 Fax +49 911 9352 100 Email sebastian.wiesinger@noris.de noris network AG - Mehr Leistung als Standard Vorstand: Ingo Kraupa (Vorsitzender), Joachim Astel, Florian Sippel Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Stefan Schnabel - AG Nürnberg HRB 17689