Hi,

I do understand both sides:

- RIPE wants to keep billing as easy as possible

- Some LIRs want a better payment scheme, which allows for better liquidity and money planning

Insurance companies have found a way this issue lot of years ago: Private Persons and companies can decide whether to pay on a monthly, quarterly or yearly basis. Since all bookkeeping has effort and costs money and some companies loose interest, the yearly payment term is the cheapest and the monthly the most expensive. I've seen up to 10% extra fees for the monthly payment for insurance policies.

As - as I think- RIPE does not want to have troubles with LIRs not paying fees at the end of the year, there may be a way to have one payment at the beginning of the year and one at 1st of July. This would reduce the amount to 50%+50% payments and would reduce the fear of not receiving the money.

But of course, more bookings cost more money and not everything can be automated, if e.g. the customers refer to the wrong invoice number or send wrong amounts or forget their customer number etc.

And don’t forget, that in some countries, some LIRs have to define the scope of the invoice periodically, e.g. 1/12^th, for tax authority or their tax advisor (some local specialties and differences can be found even in the same city 😉) .

So why not have an additional booking fee for those, who want to pay on a half-year or even smaller basis? This would compensate the effort. Imho, this could be a compromise.

The only other solution I can think of would be an online payment system which would make bookkeeping easier. But I don’t think, we don’t want to pay 2-3% (which roughly 42 € p.a.) to a system like Paypal. And I don’t see any other European bank covering the whole RIPE NCC region….

Cheers,

John

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Von: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> Im Auftrag von Henrik Lund Kramshøj
Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. Januar 2019 11:20
An: members-discuss@ripe.net
Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] billing problem on multiple lir accounts.

On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 22:00:25 +0200

Olena <olena.dmytrenko@bignet.ua> wrote:

> We do.

and a lot are silent, because they know the fee and schedule, and plan accordingly.

I am a single person freelancer and a LIR, I think the RIPE NCC payment process is pretty as simple as can be, but look forward to the discussion.

Fee was even lowered from EUR 1600/y to 1400 recently, as I remember.

Best regards

Henrik

> On 07.01.2019 9:45, Sebastian Wiesinger wrote:

> > * CloudHost <nikoladavv@yandex.ru> [2018-12-27 13:13]:

> >> This question discussed earlier, 2 - 3 weeks ago. However

> >> nobody did support it until they didn't have the same situation. I