Thanks

On 16 Apr 2024, at 17:07, Firma KOMPEX <gabi@kompex.pl> wrote:

very good example Sebastian

Others are doing it and Europe should too

We should be pioneers and we are in the Middle Ages.
We are chipping away at such obvious issues from others.

The fixed fee for the LIR Account + the resource fee can stay
they need to be calculated

But necessarily, as you pointed out, IP usage should be accounted for

Pozdrawiam
Gabriel Sulka

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-----Original Message-----
From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> On Behalf Of
Sebastien Brossier
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2024 3:51 PM
To: members-discuss@ripe.net
Subject: [members-discuss] Charging scheme 2025 proposal (logarithmic)

Hello all,

I propose to add the following model to the charging scheme 2025 voting
options.

*1 - Introduction:*

This charging scheme is heavily inspired by APNIC. If you are not
familiar with this, you can see an example here:
https://www.apnic.net/get-ip/apnic-membership/how-much-does-it-cost/member-f
ees-calculator/

The main idea is that each LIR pays according to its resources, but not
linearly. You don't pay twice as much because you have twice as much
resources.
The resulting fees are similar to what the other RIRs are charging, with
infinite granularity (no categories).

It can be easily tweaked to reach any desired budget, and will remain
viable when IPv4 has disappeared.

I have made IPv6 less punitive compared to APNIC, because RIPE has
larger initial allocations.

Independent resources fees, sign-up fee, lack of ASN fee, remain as
before in this proposal. I believe it is better to have a separate
debate on these subjects at a later time.

The goal of this charging scheme is to lower the cost for members with a
very low amount of resources, in order to attract newcomers and retain
existing members. This way the RIPE NCC membership will remain numerous
and diverse.

*2 - Charging scheme:*

(Warning: math incoming !)

IPv4_count = number of IPv4 addresses allocated
             (excluding independent assignments and legacy)
IPv6_count = number of IPv6 /56 subnets allocated
             (excluding independent assignments)

Base_Fee = 638 EUR
Bit_Factor = 1.31
Minimum_Fee = 500 EUR
Offset_IPv4 = 8
Offset_IPv6 = 24

IPv4_Fee = Base_Fee * Bit_Factor^(log2(IPv4_count) - Offset_IPv4)
IPv6_Fee = Base_Fee * Bit_Factor^(log2(IPv6_count) - Offset_IPv6)

Fee = max(IPv4_Fee, IPv6_Fee, Minimum_Fee)
        + 50 EUR per independent resource (excluding ASN)

My simulation, based on public data (2024-03-28), results in an average
fee of 1900 EUR per LIR (+ 50 EUR per independent resource), so it
should provide the same budget as the other options.
If RIPE NCC find different results with their simulation, they can
adjust Base_Fee.

*3 - Examples:*

50 EUR per independent resource should be added to all these fees.

No allocations:   500 EUR
IPv4 /24 and/or IPv6 /32:   638 EUR
IPv4 /23 and/or IPv6 /31:   835 EUR
IPv4 /22 and/or IPv6 /30: 1094 EUR
IPv4 /21 and/or IPv6 /29: 1434 EUR
IPv4 /20 and/or IPv6 /28: 1878 EUR
IPv4 /19 and/or IPv6 /27: 2461 EUR
IPv4 /18 and/or IPv6 /26: 3224 EUR
IPv4 /17 and/or IPv6 /25: 4223 EUR
IPv4 /16 and/or IPv6 /24: 5533 EUR
IPv4 /15 and/or IPv6 /23: 7248 EUR
IPv4 /14 and/or IPv6 /22: 9495 EUR
IPv4 /13 and/or IPv6 /21: 12439 EUR
IPv4 /12 and/or IPv6 /20: 16295 EUR
IPv4 /11 and/or IPv6 /19: 21347 EUR
IPv4 /10 and/or IPv6 /18: 27965 EUR
IPv4 /9 and/or IPv6 /17: 36634 EUR
IPv4 /8 and/or IPv6 /16: 47991 EUR

Largest LIR is just below 60 kEUR.

There are no categories, so your fee can be somewhere between these numbers.

If you think the fees are too high, I invite you to read the fee
schedule of the other RIRs.

Thank you if you've read this far.

Best regards,
Sebastien Brossier

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