Net neutrality is about treating data equally, without favoritism, by those who transport it. It isn't perfect as sometimes governments have some ideas on what needs to be blocked. Also, for operational reasons, transported data sometimes needs to be blocked, too. But most of the time things work. What net neutrality is not is entertaining the idea of redistributing IPv4 addresses equally to everyone. Addresses were distributed on [shown] need in the past. All have been distributed a long time since, they're not coming back. :) Kaj Sent from my iPad ________________________________ From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of sdy@a-n-t.ru <sdy@a-n-t.ru> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2024 12:33 PM To: Servperso <ml@servperso.com> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Charging scheme 2025 proposal (logarithmic) Hi, Sorry but I'm not agree with like it must be D. It is wrong way of payment. It will move payment to middle size LIR's and do nothing to return not use IPv4. It will freeze dictature of large IPv4 owner in networking. And do nothing for net neutrality.
Hi, That's the model we want to see too and we vote for sure !
We think punish people who own multiples asn is counter productive and always strike loud on small isp / non proofit. It can have a real negative impact on net neutrality (required by icann, to maintain your RIR status) by reducing the 'sponsoring' offer possibility.
RIPE board, please add option D with this one and buy this guy a cofee :)
Best regards,
Le 20-04-24 à 10:32, Sebastien Brossier a écrit :
On 16/04/2024 16:37, Mihail Fedorov wrote:
I once again advise to put less charges on IPv6. Genrally it’s a good and correct approach. But in current reality this will result need to restructure v6 subnets for everyone, who opted into /29 but using /32 (which is what many small LIRs do) and create additional work for everyone. In some distant future there will be no difference but for now every occasion to motivate networks to have IPv6 should be valued.
Apart from that that’s the scheme I would be happy to vote for.
Finally found some time to test some variants. Alternative parameters, where you can have up to /29 IPv6 at base fee (same total budget):
Base_Fee = 700 EUR Bit_Factor = 1.31 Minimum_Fee = Base_Fee Offset_IPv4 = 8 Offset_IPv6 = 27
No allocations: 700 EUR IPv4 /24 and/or IPv6 /29: 700 EUR IPv4 /23 and/or IPv6 /28: 917 EUR IPv4 /22 and/or IPv6 /27: 1201 EUR IPv4 /21 and/or IPv6 /26: 1573 EUR IPv4 /20 and/or IPv6 /25: 2061 EUR IPv4 /19 and/or IPv6 /24: 2700 EUR IPv4 /18 and/or IPv6 /23: 3537 EUR IPv4 /17 and/or IPv6 /22: 4634 EUR IPv4 /16 and/or IPv6 /21: 6071 EUR IPv4 /15 and/or IPv6 /20: 7953 EUR IPv4 /14 and/or IPv6 /19: 10418 EUR IPv4 /13 and/or IPv6 /18: 13648 EUR IPv4 /12 and/or IPv6 /17: 17879 EUR IPv4 /11 and/or IPv6 /16: 23422 EUR IPv4 /10 and/or IPv6 /15: 30682 EUR IPv4 /9 and/or IPv6 /14: 40194 EUR IPv4 /8 and/or IPv6 /13: 52654 EUR Largest LIR: 65143 EUR
Sebastien Brossier
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