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On 17 Feb,2016, at 16:45, Claudiu Foleanu <claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com> wrote:

Hi Markus,

The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user
contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this
the resources are sold.
It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think
that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold.
And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a
/22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I
have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started
getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone
will do something like this.
We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a
new lir we cannot help in the matter.
We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address
space from Romania with the same issue.

Best regards,
Claudiu Foleanu



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Markus
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To: members-discuss@ripe.net; Claudiu Foleanu
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Members and Multiple

Hi Claudiu,

Am 17.02.2016 um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu:
No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the
system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have
the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit.
[...]

can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away
from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to
give their resources up?

I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro) from
your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It
seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from
<https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra
nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics>

Do they have something to do with what you described?

Cheers
Markus









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