Von: William Weber <william@edis.at>Betreff: Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint against a LIRDatum: 09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZAn: Andrew de la Haye <andrew@ripe.net>Dear Andrew,And who verified that these 2 analysts were not bribed... i know guys buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC officials (in fact, the same LIR as this mail is about "bought" space there also, 154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't unheard in LACNIC/APNIC either, so what tells me RIPE did/does not do the same...Sorry, but this is not really any better now:This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as well, not even far from you, being Chinese(!) with barely 3000EUR income reports filled 2012/2013 in the Netherlands for his BVs and his sole trader status and has one of the largest totalallocations in the entire RIPE region?How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from an ARIN ASN in Los Angeles while i and others got contacted by RIPE about a measly /24 on an ARIN ASN?Why do his assignments make no sense, look auto generated and never contain any end-user data? Why was this not verified at add-alloc?How does he use over a million IPs on a 100Mbit uplink to his upstream provider?This all is still very fishy and not really impressive...Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards,
William Weber
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We take your allegations very seriously. As such, your ticket has been escalated to me by Andrea Cima, manager of the RIPE NCC's Registration Services Department.
Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of IPv4 address space, we implemented a temporarily enhanced allocation procedure to ensure a fair, neutral and well-documented IPv4 run-out.
This procedure was communicated to our membership and community at meetings, via the Address Policy Working Group Mailing List, and via our website. You can find the complete description at:
https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf
Measures were taken to ensure our members' needs were filled on a first-come, first-served basis, and to ensure that we followed due diligence. Each request was evaluated by two IP Resource Analysts. Furthermore, all large requests (/15 PA or /18 PI or more) were rigorously evaluated by Registration Services Management, checked for policy compliance by our Policy Development Officer, and were finally approved by two RIPE NCC Senior Managers.
The IPv4 requests you have listed followed this process completely and, based on the information we received, were entirely justified.
If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me.
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Dear William,
As requested I have escalated your complaint to the RIPE NCC Senior
Management.
They will come back to you ASAP.
Best regards,
Andrea Cima
RIPE NCC
On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William Weber wrote:Dear Andrea,
So if there is no proof for a bribe you do as it does not exist at all?
Why did no one tell me this before, i would have come with a suitcase of cash to AMS... Seriously, this statement is worse than what 3rd world dictators state all the time about bribery...
Considering that RIPE members have no access to other RIPE members add-alloc (or any other) forms it is also entirely *impossible* to prove lies in them (hey, how should i do that if i can't read them at all?) - Thus it clearly is your obligation to verify this claims OR provide the accuser with access to a system to verify it himself.
It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that the single largest allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days before the last /8 is reached to an unknown sole trader without any business.... yes, i think i have enough 'proof' to get this verified by the RIPE, please escalate it to whoever you think is appropriate or i will do so myself today at 00:00 via the RIPE mailing list to ALL members.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards,
William Weber
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Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC Hostmaster <hostmaster@ripe.net>:
Dear William,
All allocations are issued based on RIPE policy and documentation that
demonstrates the need for those resources. The information provided by
members is confidential and cannot be shared with other members.
If you have proof that a member has provided false information to the
RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof. Based on this we can then
start evaluating the claims and take appropriate actions. The same
counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC emloyee having received a
bribe, which is a very serious accusation, that we do not take
lightly.
Finally it seems there is a misunderstanding about the date on which
the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8 policy. The correct date is 14
September 2012. Please find the official announcement at:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html
Kind regards,
Andrea Cima
Registration Services Manager
RIPE NCC
On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200, William Weber wrote:x-ncc-regid: at.edisgmbh (and at.<removed>, li.<removed>, li.<removed>, plus representing <removed> and <removed>)
Yes, i have to complain again to evaluate someone....
LIR is nl.outsideheaven
I am 100% sure that the allocation of his netblocks have either used false data in the add-alloc forms, plain lies or bribes (which i see as the most likely) - His company has no trading activity in any country (verified with Dutch and Chinese tax authorities) and nothing that would justify the usage of this amounts of IPv4 space.
His usage of some of them also violates RIPE rules, most are for example not even announced inside the RIPE region but originate from AS35916 (Multacom in Los Angeles, USA) solely.
The assignments while RIPE already reached the last /8 are very questionable as well and overturning a members and board decision.
185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09
-> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE
5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09
-> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE
-> How was he able to obtain a /15 5 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8?
5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07
-> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE
-> How was he able to obtain a /16 3 months AFTER RIPE reached the last /8?
37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04
-> How was he able to obtain a /15 1 month AFTER RIPE reached the last /8?
31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04
-> Announced in the ARIN region entirely, not RIPE
Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards,
William Weber
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