Hello,
i dont think so. I mean we could find 400 signs i think. From my side i can organize 1/5 or ¼ or them.
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Von: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> Im Auftrag von Kaj Niemi
Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. April 2024 18:27
An: Petru Bunea <suport@bunea.eu>; Daniel Pearson <daniel@privatesystems.net>
Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net
Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] Charging scheme 2025 proposal (logarithmic)
I'm glad others have also understood the problem with increasing fees while the number of members is falling. I like to think I'm foresighted, some might call me cynical, but that means spend needs to be constrained. The RIR system is not an example of "to make money one needs to spend money" (like businesses that have a flywheel with an ad component).
Let's do some napkin math and comps with the other RIRs. I chose to normalize AUD and EUR to USD so comparing is easy. Revenue figures are latest available from public sources as are the membership numbers. Numbers rounded to whatever was closest and convenient. Assumption that all have roughly budgets that coincide with their expenditure.
RIPE, revenue 38M EUR (40M USD), members 20k = 2 k/member
ARIN, revenue 25M USD, members 25k = 1 k/member
APNIC, revenue 33M AUD (21M USD), members 10k = 2 k/member
LACNIC, revenue 10M USD, members 12k = 0.8 k/member
AFRINIC, revenue 6M USD, members 2k = 3 k/member
All RIRs together end up with an annual revenue of 100M USD and about 70k organizations as customers. Didn't bother summarizing total assets but they'll the total assets to revenue (sales) is at least 1.
Now, in my opinion, there are a few surprises. ARIN, located in a very expensive country, is quite efficient per member. PPP wise USA and NL are about the same meaning their cost base should also be rather similar. Ceteris paribus, etc. US inflation is Y/Y probably on the level of NL, too. In principle there should be some kind of economies of scale in most lines of businesses where, once reached, the marginal cost is below the average production cost. The RIRs do not seem to work that way for some strange reason... or they do in the registry function but as for other functions they do not.
On the other hand, AFRINIC seems to be rather inefficient.
Is there a point to this? Probably not considering there are too many people who do not want to rock the status quo. Also, considering one needs 400+ signatures to change something it is rather impossible to shake the establishment. It is what it is, we can voice our opinions but in the end they're just that.
If you're unhappy with the financial policy, pretty much the only option is, in the AGM, to vote against adopting the next year's scheme and against discharging the EB. The numbers against tend to be somewhere between 10% and 20% so they're mostly protest votes in my opinion.
Anyway, happy to revisit the topic again next spring. 👍
Kaj
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