I don't agree unfortunately, and I don't think self appointed groups within the NCC should be allowed to lock themselves away to make decisions about this sort of thing without some form of scrutiny. The mailing list doesn't have to be open to all to reply too, but at least to give a live overview of what is going on.

At the moment it looks like a self appointed group was allowed to make recommendations, without any sort of chain of thought being made public until after it had happened and the damage has been done. RIPE Board, I would like to suggest that a rule is instigated in future to prohibit any mailing list being made private (bar anything for the members only), so that proper scrutiny of the work of the NCC and it's TFs can be undertaken.

Thanks

Harry



On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 9:53 AM Cynthia Revström <me@cynthia.re> wrote:
Hi,

(directed to EB)
The archives appear to be gone, this needs to be fixed.

(directed to Harry)
The doodles were just scheduling times when the TF members were available for calls.

> Surely if the membership had requested for this to happen, it makes sense to allow them to be involved in the discussion.

This is not quite true, it was the Executive Board who called for the Task Force to be created to write a report of suggested changes that the EB could present to the members for them to vote on.

> Some people may not want to commit to a full task force membership, but still give their view.

Sadly I don't think this would have worked at all if it was a public mailing list. We needed a group of people who were invested into the issue and not have a bunch of comments from all over the place.
The diversity-tf is/was(?) an open mailing list, that pretty much failed in my opinion due to it, and I think that this TF would have had the same outcome if it was open.

-Cynthia

On Wed, Oct 28, 2020, 18:02 Harry Cross <me@harrycross.me> wrote:
Hi all,
I've just had a cursory glance through the report and the mailing list minutes.

I'd like to ask why the mailing list was not open to all please, I saw the minutes mentioned this but there was no explanation of why? Surely if the membership had requested for this to happen, it makes sense to allow them to be involved in the discussion. Some people may not want to commit to a full task force membership, but still give their view. 

I also tried to get to the Doodles and they don't work. Are they public at all please?

Thanks

Harry


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