I bump this, but we also need to maintain the LIR-to-LIR transferring affordable and simple as is now, and we need to find a good method to recognize the LIRs (ISPs for example or big companies that need to be a LIR) and the broker (that buy and sell IPv4 for business and does not contribute to the internet grow) that canno't be listed as a LIR or everyone that need a LIR-to-LIR transfer will be listed as broker. In short we need to find a way to permit the LIR transfer and recognize the brokers, and prevent brokers from registering as a LIR Alessandro Bondesan -----Messaggio originale----- Da: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Per conto di ivaylo Inviato: giovedì 19 dicembre 2019 18:55 A: members-discuss@ripe.net Oggetto: Re: [members-discuss] Feedback Requested: RIPE NCC Broker List Hello, Let me summarize if I understand right this disscusion... There are two sides, on one side there are network operators who need IPV4 addresses to keep the normal work of global network (Internet) from other side there are RIPE who spread these IPV4 addresses to operators and care that spreading to be fair for all (At all RIPE _MUST_ operate equal to all it members). So far so good, and There come thirtd side who get these IPV4 resources from RIPE but do not know what to do with them. The third side refuses to return these IPV4 to RIPE, but want to "sell" them to others who need these resources to keep global network operation. Meanwhile the second side who _MUST_ care for equal right between operators and _MUST_ care global network to operate right, do nothing than to help the parasitic third side operate and making life and bussines of the first side harder. Am I the only one who sees the things like this, and feeling everything is wrong and not fair ? Seems like the things will not change in right direction, and the third side (the parasitic one) will not return back these IPV4 resources to RIPE. The first side will keep starving for IPV4 resources, and will prefer to "buy" them from "certificied" broker. The second side RIPE will do nothing more than to "certificied" a broker on list on official RIPE page. So to become RIPE member there are fee , why not to those brokers to have also fee ? So I offer: 1. To keep IPV4 broker list on RIPE site. 2. To get listed and become broker of IPV4 one time singup fee of 4000 EURO. 3. For every /24 listed from broker for "sale" 300 EURO yearly fee. 4. If one block (/24 or more) is listed for "sale" and not sold in one year RIPE automaticaly to withdraw in the RIPE free addresses pool from broker. 5. One time listed block (/24 or more) to can _NOT_ be listed only again nor withdraw from the list untill it is sold or point 4 become. Ivaylo Josifov _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss@ripe.net https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/a.bondesan%40netgloba...