+1. This looks clearly
personal. Especially those half-anonymous
complains ("Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]") look
strange to me
(no offense). And William, thank you for sharing all the
details about
your personal life (Who is more evil?) - but probably most
people here
do not find it interesting (just an assumption).
"Administration - [ inAsset Networks ]", William, did you
two somehow
organize to get together today to start this? I dont need
an answer.
Focus on facts please and keep the noise low. Thank you.
The Management.
Am 21.11.2013 17:21, schrieb Christian Hoffmann [sfip84
Hosting und mehr
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Hey,
am i the only person having the feeling that there is a
private issue
going on here?
I mean come on, this guy has the bigger one, i am jalous
too, but as
part of the RIPE NCC i think i really should trust the
persons working
for the NCC.
For my understanding with every new allocation (and he
has a lot..)
there is an Audit going on.
Ok, he is announcing part of the networks outside the
RIPE Area, but for
my understanding that is ok as long as the company and
the core network
is based in Europe. Or did i missed something.
Am 21.11.2013 17:12, schrieb William Weber:
Hello together,
So so so, finally he can reply - Hello there Mr. Lu,
why were my
previous contact tries ignored?
I was in fact *AT YOUR ADDRESS* in Holland in 2012,
nobody there - I
would have someone sent to your address in China also,
but that one is
unclear described.
I wondering where you have the
inaccurate income data about me
personally and my private company as well
I do not need to share any sources (what is this, the
PLA?), all data
was obtained legally in my country of residence
(Slovenia) and Austria
- I can not vouch for correctness but in the past it
was usually near
the expected.
Not like your data is secret in the Netherlands.
making an criminal
charge(corruption) to Ripe NCC, inaccurate publish
our private income data in the public space without
supporting
evidence are very serious offense under european
law, although my
lawyer strongly suggest him to write the letter, I
insists my self to
write here just because I would appreciate member's
understanding and
community's support.
I'm not sure what gives you the idea that Dutch law
would be
applicable to me in Slovenia/Austaira (or at all,
considering that
Slovenia/Austria as per constitution cannot extradict
citizens)?
The statement of mine - *POSSIBLE* bribe - Is fully
legal to make,
even the implication of it would be - The RIPE ticket
system is also
not the public and neither is the mailing list, it is
a closed system.
You can sue me all you want, i have not much to loose
currently, and
once cleared move to Israel which does neither
extradict nor care much
about Europe.
The Austrian police confiscated my hardware 2012 and
2013, the
Austrian police investigates my financial
transactions, the Polish
police wants to see me in jail (and has an order for
that), Hongkong
authorities are not amused, my phones and internet is
taped, i am
being followed by the Austrian police.
Just google my name and add "tor" and you get an
image, you (and no
one else) can threaten me with "law" anymore.
I will reply more lenghty later, because even though
the Austrian
government does not like me they still send me
invitations to
broadband expansion forums and force me to attend and
speak.
Also, most here agree with me and you CLEARLY violate
RIPE policies
with the ARIN routing and others - So *you* are the
one that should
explain himself, not me.
This is also a note: *The statements here are fully
personal or
statements of my own companies, not EDIS GmbH which is
however one LIR
i represent.*
--
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william@william.si <mailto:william@william.si>
Am 21.11.2013 um 16:44 schrieb "H.Lu" <h.lu@anytimechinese.com
<mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com>>:
Hi
We do not want to sue "anybody" here, sorry for
mistyping English.
we followed all the process in the Ripe region, and
I personally
involved and participated in the Ripe policy
development process,
To inasset network:
I wonder how you as single organization define "best
interest of ripe
member" and justifying other member's IP usage?
Kind regards
Lu
On 2013-11-21, at 下午12:26, "Administration - [
inAsset Networks ]"
<admin@inasset.es <mailto:admin@inasset.es>>
wrote:
Good Afternoon (in Europe)
Mr. Lu, we will follow your activities closely,
and see if RIPE NCC
takes action in the event the use of your assigned
space is not in
the best interest of its members.
For now, we would like to know why you are
announcing RIPE NCC space
in ARIN.
*Administration* - [ inAsset Networks ]
El 21/11/2013, a las 16:02, H.Lu <h.lu@anytimechinese.com
<mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com>>
escribió:
Hi:
What a surprise morning.
I think it was talking about me and my company.
To clarify few things, the justification process
of our application
took very long in ripe NCC and I believe ripe
NCC investigate about
us heavily in the major service we provided at
the time of it being
justified. and corruption claim are very much
inappreicate and I
would ask you apologizes to Ripe NCC.
Me as individual as been actively involved in
the ripe community in
past 5 years, and I believe most active member
in the list knowing
me personally.
I wondering where you have the inaccurate income
data about me
personally and my private company as well. as
it can not be obtain
legally and the data was not correct. I
personally owing quite few
companies worldwide but they are all private
companies I do not
feel the need to share our financial details
publicly.
Most part of our business are confidential so
sorry we can not
provide more details here, like every request,
Member base are
trusting Ripe NCC to make the right decision at
the time of
application. That is how business really works,
only Ripe NCC has
rights to getting into confidential area of
member's business,
otherwise I believe every member would have to
publish
every detail about their business to the public.
And I would ask if you do have more questions
for me, as long as
it is not confidential, I'd like to share my
stories with you.
Please do not bother Ripe NCC for this matter
any more.
At this point, Ripe NCC are just a book keeper
for its members and
Ripe community, they are not police force, if
you do feel we have
some unlawful practice--thought I seriously
doubt about it, please
contact related law enforcement and we are very
happy to assist in
the matter with them.
Last but not least, as I just had phone call
with my lawyer,
making an criminal charge(corruption) to Ripe
NCC, inaccurate
publish our private income data in the public
space without
supporting evidence are very serious offense
under european law,
although my lawyer strongly suggest him to write
the letter, I
insists my self to write here just because I
would appreciate
member's understanding and community's support.
Let me know if you still have more questions.
Kind regards
Lu
On 2013-11-21, at 上午11:05, William Weber
<ripe-members-discussion@edisglobal.com
<mailto:ripe-members-discussion@edisglobal.com>>
wrote:
As RIPE seems to have
decided that i can be ignored and no one
needs to reply to me i make this public now as
threatened to them
before - See Dear Andrew, i don't care what
you say - if you don't
reply me with anything useful then i take
steps to get others
involved.
This is not the first time i reported a LIR
for evaluation and was
ignored.
I waited over a month for any reply and sent
multiple follow up
mails, no replies and the ticket is "open" in
the Lirportal, now
the last reply i got was again useless and
without any interest
(No Andrew, i cannot use the LIR<>LIR
report form to report
LIR<>RIPE, i can't even enter that
there.)
Theres some more fun to be had, here's a text
i prepared before i
sent my mail to RIPE after some investigations
(which merely took
10 minutes time and a few calls to some
associates) - Now, isn't
that proof enough for an evaluation?
I think so and the other LIRs i represent do
as well, but make
your own picture.
--
Today we follow an interesting 'ISP' which is
based on a
sole-trader in the Netherlands which managed
to have
RIPE/Afrinic/ARIN assign him IPv4 space
totaling to a /8:
His name is Heng Lu, also known as
"OutsideHeaven" -
http://outsideheaven.com <http://outsideheaven.com/>
Seemingly based in the Netherlands Lu is of
Chinese origin and
does (as far as informations go) not live in
Europe at all.
First being a customer of OVH and having his
IP space announced on
OVHs AS now most space seems to be announced
by Los Angeles based
ISP Multacom (AS35916).
A short view on the website shows that no real
services are
provided yet massive amounts of IPs are
registered to him
personally, him as sole trader or his
companies at all RIRs:
154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs
This is an AFRINIC net assigned to a company
in the Seychelles
("Abacus (Seychelles) Limited"), the Person
handle and mail shows
the connection to OutsideHeaven.
The network itself contains smaller
assignments, all with the
descr of "CloudInnovation infrastructure" and
various countries
set (AD, SD, YT….), most IPs are not announced
at all and seem unused.
5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs
A RIPE network from 2012.09 announced by
Multacom in LAX outside
of the RIPE region.
Seems unused.
5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs
RIPE network dating to 2012.07 (Just 3 months
after the /15 was
allocated, exactly the timeframe RIPE required
a space to be used
in to get a new one…), announced on OVH.
37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs
Yet another RIPE network from 2012.04 (who can
spell 'bribe'?)
announced by OVH on France, unused as well.
46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs
Allocated 2010.11 - Announced by a datacenter
in the Netherlands,
unused.
31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65000 IPs
2011.04 - Announced in LAX/Multacom.
List (not complete, there is more smaller
assignments on him):
154.80.0.0/12 - Afrinic - 1.048.574 IPs
185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs - 2012.09
5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.09
5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2012.07
37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs - 2012.04
31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2011.04
46.136.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs - 2010.11
178.236.224.0/20 - RIPE - 4096 IPs - 2010.06
--
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at.edisgmbh (among others)
william@edisglobal.com <mailto:william@edisglobal.com>
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Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht:
*Von: *William Weber
<william@edis.at <mailto:william@edis.at>>
*Betreff: **Aw: NCC#2013100726 Complaint
against a LIR*
*Datum: *09. Oktober 2013 13:18:36 MESZ
*An: *Andrew de la Haye <andrew@ripe.net <mailto:andrew@ripe.net>>
Dear Andrew,
And who verified that these 2 analysts were
not bribed... i know
guys buying /12s by bribing AFRINIC
officials (in fact, the same
LIR as this mail is about "bought" space
there also,
154.80.0.0/12) and this isn't unheard in
LACNIC/APNIC either, so
what tells me RIPE did/does not do the
same...
Sorry, but this is not really any better
now:
This guy "accidentally" sits in Amsterdam as
well, not even far
from you, being Chinese(!) with barely
3000EUR income reports
filled 2012/2013 in the Netherlands for his
BVs and his sole
trader status and has one of the largest
total
allocations in the entire RIPE region?
How can he announce 2(!) *ENTIRE* /15 from
an ARIN ASN in Los
Angeles while i and others got contacted by
RIPE about a measly
/24 on an ARIN ASN?
Why do his assignments make no sense, look
auto generated and
never contain any end-user data? Why was
this not verified at
add-alloc?
How does he use over a million IPs on a
100Mbit uplink to his
upstream provider?
This all is still very fishy and not really
impressive...
Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards,
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Am 08.10.2013 um 11:55 schrieb Andrew de la
Haye <andrew@ripe.net
<mailto:andrew@ripe.net>>:
Dear William,
We take your allegations very seriously.
As such, your ticket
has been escalated to me by Andrea Cima,
manager of the RIPE
NCC's Registration Services Department.
Before the RIPE NCC reached the last /8 of
IPv4 address space,
we implemented a temporarily enhanced
allocation procedure to
ensure a fair, neutral and well-documented
IPv4 run-out.
This procedure was communicated to our
membership and community
at meetings, via the Address Policy
Working Group Mailing List,
and via our website. You can find the
complete description at:
https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/204-last_slash_8_NCC_Services.pdf
Measures were taken to ensure our members'
needs were filled on
a first-come, first-served basis, and to
ensure that we followed
due diligence. Each request was evaluated
by two IP Resource
Analysts. Furthermore, all large requests
(/15 PA or /18 PI or
more) were rigorously evaluated by
Registration Services
Management, checked for policy compliance
by our Policy
Development Officer, and were finally
approved by two RIPE NCC
Senior Managers.
The IPv4 requests you have listed followed
this process
completely and, based on the information
we received, were
entirely justified.
If you have any further questions, please
feel free to contact me.
Kind regards
Andrew de la Haye
Chief Operations Officer
RIPE NCC
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1016 AB Amsterdam
the Netherlands
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Am 07.10.2013 um 14:29 schrieb RIPE NCC
Hostmaster
<hostmaster@ripe.net <mailto:hostmaster@ripe.net>>:
Dear William,
As requested I have escalated your complaint
to the RIPE NCC Senior
Management.
They will come back to you ASAP.
Best regards,
Andrea Cima
RIPE NCC
On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 16:11:37 +0200, William
Weber wrote:
Dear Andrea,
So if there is no proof for a bribe you do
as it does not exist
at all?
Why did no one tell me this before, i
would have come with a
suitcase of cash to AMS... Seriously, this
statement is worse
than what 3rd world dictators state all
the time about bribery...
Considering that RIPE members have no
access to other RIPE
members add-alloc (or any other) forms it
is also entirely
*impossible* to prove lies in them (hey,
how should i do that if
i can't read them at all?) - Thus it
clearly is your obligation
to verify this claims OR provide the
accuser with access to a
system to verify it himself.
It is by itself alone VERY suspicious that
the single largest
allocation for weeks is allocated 8 days
before the last /8 is
reached to an unknown sole trader without
any business.... yes,
i think i have enough 'proof' to get this
verified by the RIPE,
please escalate it to whoever you think is
appropriate or i will
do so myself today at 00:00 via the RIPE
mailing list to ALL
members.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards,
William Weber
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Am 04.10.2013 um 15:52 schrieb RIPE NCC
Hostmaster
<hostmaster@ripe.net <mailto:hostmaster@ripe.net>>:
Dear William,
All allocations are issued based on RIPE
policy and
documentation that
demonstrates the need for those
resources. The information
provided by
members is confidential and cannot be
shared with other members.
If you have proof that a member has
provided false information
to the
RIPE NCC, please provide us this proof.
Based on this we can then
start evaluating the claims and take
appropriate actions. The same
counts for your accusation of a RIPE NCC
emloyee having received a
bribe, which is a very serious
accusation, that we do not take
lightly.
Finally it seems there is a
misunderstanding about the date on
which
the RIPE NCC has reached its last /8
policy. The correct date is 14
September 2012. Please find the official
announcement at:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2012-September/001825.html
Kind regards,
Andrea Cima
Registration Services Manager
RIPE NCC
On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:49:32 +0200,
William Weber wrote:
x-ncc-regid:
at.edisgmbh (and
at.<removed>,
li.<removed>,
li.<removed>, plus representing
<removed> and <removed>)
Yes, i have to complain again to
evaluate someone....
LIR is nl.outsideheaven
I am 100% sure that the allocation of
his netblocks have
either used false data in the
add-alloc forms, plain lies or
bribes (which i see as the most
likely) - His company has no
trading activity in any country
(verified with Dutch and
Chinese tax authorities) and nothing
that would justify the
usage of this amounts of IPv4 space.
His usage of some of them also
violates RIPE rules, most are
for example not even announced inside
the RIPE region but
originate from AS35916 (Multacom in
Los Angeles, USA) solely.
The assignments while RIPE already
reached the last /8 are
very questionable as well and
overturning a members and board
decision.
185.2.48.0/22 - RIPE - 1024 IPs -
2012.09
-> Announced in the ARIN region
entirely, not RIPE
5.224.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs -
2012.09
-> Announced in the ARIN region
entirely, not RIPE
-> How was he able to obtain a /15
5 months AFTER RIPE reached
the last /8?
5.132.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs -
2012.07
-> Announced in the ARIN region
entirely, not RIPE
-> How was he able to obtain a /16
3 months AFTER RIPE reached
the last /8?
37.222.0.0/15 - RIPE - 131.070 IPs -
2012.04
-> How was he able to obtain a /15
1 month AFTER RIPE reached
the last /8?
31.201.0.0/16 - RIPE - 65.534 IPs -
2011.04
-> Announced in the ARIN region
entirely, not RIPE
Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best
regards,
William Weber
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