well, frankly, we don't give a fuck about people with old ciscos with 64MB ram... if you don't have a few gigabytes of ram by now in your routers, gtfo of the business :P so address space aggregation, is of no concern at all. -- Greetings, Sven Olaf Kamphuis, CB3ROB Ltd. & Co. KG ========================================================================= Address: Koloniestrasse 34 VAT Tax ID: DE267268209 D-13359 Registration: HRA 42834 B BERLIN Phone: +31/(0)87-8747479 Germany GSM: +49/(0)152-26410799 RIPE: CBSK1-RIPE e-Mail: sven@cb3rob.net ========================================================================= <penpen> C3P0, der elektrische Westerwelle http://www.facebook.com/cb3rob ========================================================================= Confidential: Please be advised that the information contained in this email message, including all attached documents or files, is privileged and confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual or individuals addressed. Any other use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. On Tue, 2 Aug 2011, Daniel Suchy wrote:
On 08/02/2011 02:52 PM, Sven Olaf Kamphuis wrote:
On Mon, 1 Aug 2011, Daniel Suchy wrote:
(and there're some organisations/LIRs activelly selling PI address space as their "service", charging much more [more than double] than they pay for the resource in RIPE).
THIS my friend, is EXACTLY what a LIR is supposed to do. register ip space for third parties and charge them for the service.
the whole LIR == ISP crap, is a misinterpretation of the tasks of both RIPE and LIRS, as is the fact that they encourage potential LIR customers of becoming a LIR themselves, rather than paying a LIR to register PI space for them (the legal aspects of which, are questionable as well, after all, LIRS pay RIPE to enable them to register PI space, not for RIPE to steal their customers ;)
Yes, LIR register addresses for their customers and charges them. That's clear.
But, one of goals of LIR system (and internet registry system in general) is address space aggregation. And by the (resselled) PI space, this goal isn't reached at all - with PI, there's no aggregation. This is very often forgotten by some LIRs.
"PI for everyone" is also one misinterpretation of LIR tasks. End users should be aware about the fact, that ISP(LIR) change does mean renumbering of their network and PI isn't here just because someone End users doesn't like this annoying job. LIR should learn about this their End users - but many LIRs doesn't do this part of their job.
- Daniel