On Mon, 19 Sep 2016, Tom Lehtinen wrote: (...)
For a new LIR, the annual fee is ?1400 and that comes with a /22. Substracting the credit that was given to the LIRs in the previous years, we end up at a cost of roughly ?1000/year for a LIR. This translates to approximately ?1/IP or ?250 per /24 per year. For large holders of IP addresses, such as ISPs which distribute 1 or 2 IP addresses per customer, the cost is minimal per customer. For larger companies, who might for example be using public IP space internally, this could be a good motivator to renumber internally or to hand back unused resources.
As long as making some money from "transferring the right to use" is possible, "hand back unused resources" motivation really tends to zero... ;-))
As said before, IPv4 addresses are a shared resource and we've almost run out of available ones.
Some members have, some others haven't. But the service region, as a collective is almost running out, yes.
Coming back to the points of RIPE NCC being non-profit, it could also start spending more money to improve the services that it provides. The "About us" page tells us that RIPE NCC works with Internet Governance and External Relations and Outreach. RIPE NCC could sure use more money and resources to
Not really sure about "could sure use more money". Established goals in this field aren't being met?
engage further with regards to these topics. For example, RIPE NCC engages in Roundtable Meetings for governments, regulators and law enforcement agencies and could use these forums to educate these bodies about the importance of safeguarding an open and neutral internet without any artificial hurdles such as zero-rating. blocking of content etc.
There are also other orgs that try to do that. ISOC comes to mind...
Here, the RIPE NCC could be stand up for an open and transparent internet that follows net neutrality principles. It could also use the money to remove the dependency of sponsors for the RIPE meetings to signal the independence of RIPE.
I would agree with lowering the price of meeting's tickets. I don't feel the RIPE/NCC (or RIPE) is less independent by having sponsors for social events.
Anyway, I believe that implementing a charge that is based on the size of the IPv4 resource allocation is fair
"fair" to me would sound like covering most of NCC's costs with money coming from those members who generate more workload on the NCC.
and it would line up with RIPE NCC's goal of safeguarding the resources. Whether implementing a cost like the proposed ?250/year per /24 or a fee based on categories such as the other RIRs are imposing, the model needs to be changed.
Strongly disagree. A fee based on (few) categories (like some years ago...) would be less disruptive, if people don't agree we should keep the flat-fee scheme. If rules are made in order to encourage people to "hand back" (errr... i mean, make some money by transferring rights), that might be perceived as a way to distort an existing market. Regards, Carlos Friaças
Best regards, Tom
On 17.09.2016 22:29, Nigel Titley wrote:
On 17/09/16 11:23, Radu-Adrian Feurdean wrote:
RIPE cannot and will not do this, let me explain why. According to RIPE, and most RIR's, their stance is that you do not "own" the IP addresses that are given to you, and that they can technically take them back at
... and then you have the transfer market, where people got IP addresses for free some years ago and now they sell them for profit. This the starting point of all this. Some LIRs do agree and support the "one does NOT own IPs" stance, other don't or no longer do. Generally those that need IP space tend to agree, those that have excess not. Of course there are exceptions....
The strict status is that LIRs have a right to use an internet resource (they do not own it). They can transfer that right to use (but not the resource itself).
Just trying to inject a bit of clarity.
Nigel
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