Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members

15 May 2024

      I completely understand.

I don’t see a big difference between rollback of IP allocation or rollback of RIPE membership it is the same set of rules.

If you insist to change one action done in the past why somebody else cant insist to change other action done also in the past ?

most of the LIRs are not satisfied - sorry it's completely speculative. I see a couple of very loud people in this mailing list but it is not a majority at all.

Also a see a result of voting and it shows that your statement completely wrong.

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From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> On Behalf Of sdy@a-n-t.ru
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To: Evgeniy Brodskiy <Evgeniy.Brodskiy@kyivstar.net>
Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net
Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members

You still don't understand.

We didn't just agree to the rules (Ok), we all became equal members of the community. And this community can change the rules in their common interests.

Obviously, most of the LIRs are not satisfied with the current situation with a lack of access to resources and growing payments.

So the rules need to be changed. And apparently 7% of those who own 84% of the resources will have to pay much more or release scarce resources.

It's in the best interest of the whole community.

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Sorry but actually it is talk about members fee. It is named -
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"members fee" and it is members fee.
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I don’t think current situation is discriminatory.
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You Ok with membership rules that gave your ability to be a LIR but
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not Ok with IP addresses allocation rules which exists in the same
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time. How it is possible ?
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And more if in the moment you became a LIR why you chose RIPE as RIR
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for registry service if this organization so discriminatory  from your
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point of view ??
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I can't say for other large LIRs but our company obtained IPs
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according to RIPEN rules (yes it is not a gift it is procedure) to
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provide access to Internet for our subscribers.
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And we don't hold or sell IPs we use them to provide access for people
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-----Original Message-----
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From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>> On Behalf Of
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To: Evgeniy Brodskiy <Evgeniy.Brodskiy@kyivstar.net<mailto:Evgeniy.Brodskiy@kyivstar.net>>
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Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM]
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Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members
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It is not talk about "different members fee"!
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It is talking about payment for network resources that we need, but we
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have not, but, as fact, pay for it use by another LIRs.
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Let's not forget that the RIPE community and NCC is a partner
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organization for network management and interaction. And it is not at
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all a gathering of big players and address speculators.
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Our main task is to organize non-discriminatory access to resources
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from different networks.
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If, as a result, now 7% of LIRs took 84% of the address resources,
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then we have clearly been doing something wrong all these years!
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So, at least, another 93% LIRs must to think what is role of NCC is?
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If it is all not about money maybe we can stop talking about
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different members fee ?
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sdy@a-n-t.ru<mailto:sdy@a-n-t.ru> <sdy@a-n-t.ru<mailto:sdy@a-n-t.ru>>
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Отправлено: вторник, мая 14, 2024 6:38:26 PM
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Кому: Jan Zorz - Go6 <jan@go6.si<mailto:jan@go6.si>>
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Тема: Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM]
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Dear Jan.
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We have alternative look!
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If we all pay equal sum - lets devide RIPE ipv4 and AS numbers to
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P.S.
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Please - do not repeat paranoid idea: payment sum = number of votes.
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We live in 21 century. Money now is not a fetish! When you vote for
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On 14. 5. 24 15:05, ROSKOMNADZOR LIMITED wrote:
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If big organization pay a large amount of taxes - are they have
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more votes? Im think so - NO.
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If you have more shares in the company - you have more votes :)
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In proportional model - you pay FIXED amount PER RESOURCE.
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Why Big members must have more votes? They pay same as other!
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If big members would pay significantly higher members fee price (due
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request proportionally more votes at the GM :)
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Do we really want that?
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Cheers, Jan
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