Hello,
I think it is very necessary to address the problem of LIRs that need
IPs in relation to LIRs that have +80% of their IPs unused.
How to fix? maybe a pay per individual IP model?
For example: 0.25 €/year per IP.
I think this will make those who have unused IPs give them back and
reduce speculation, which I think are the two big problems.
Thanks!
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José Manuel Giner
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On 17/03/2023 10:24, Simon-Jan Haytink wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> First off, I apologise for the length of this email, but I hope to cover
> a number of points brought up in the consultation so far.
>
> I want to thank you again for your input so far on the models. We are
> busy looking at all the feedback. We have also seen over 100 members
> sign up for the Open House next week to discuss this further, so I
> appreciate your interest in helping us to reach a good outcome.
>
> Looking at the feedback we've seen so far, there are a number of
> questions and points raised where I can help to add clarity and also
> answer some specific questions.
>
> 1. Some of you asked for a breakdown of the IPv4 address space held by
> LIRs to help with your consideration of a category-based model. So here
> is a chart with that information:
>
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> I’d like to note that in the models we are developing, we are looking to
> move to a model that charges per member rather than per LIR account. So
> I also have an indicative spread of how many members would be in each
> category in the model we shared:
>
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> 2. To clarify what determines the category someone is placed within in
> the model I shared, it is the highest score for just one of the
> following types of resource:
> - IPv4 allocations
> - IPv6 allocations
> - ASN assignments
> - Independent resources (includes all resource assignments not in the
> previous three categories, including all sponsored items)
> Note: Independent resources are charged by number of assignments rather
> than by the amount of IPs within the assignment.
>
> So if your highest score is for IPv4 allocations, then the amount for
> IPv6 allocations, ASNs or independent resources does not contribute to
> the category you are placed in. The highest score of the four defines
> the category. The elements that we charge for in the categories or
> separately can of course change or be refined based on your feedback.
>
> 3. Another person asked for comparison with other RIR charging schemes,
> and I provide links to the information on their websites:
> APNIC:
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> ARIN:
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> AFRINIC:
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> LACNIC:
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>
> 4. There was a question on how we charge for those who are still on the
> waiting list and have not yet received any IPv4 address space. We are
> still looking at how this might work and it is something I can bring up
> during the Open House. Potentially, there could be a base membership fee
> and another fee once IPv4 resources are received.
>
> 5. There was a request for comment on the idea that the RIPE NCC had
> permitted multiple LIRs in order to allow some members to receive more
> address space. In fact, the members themselves voted at the General
> Meeting to allow this in 2016. There had been a resolution by the
> Executive Board to stop the creation of multiple LIR accounts in 2015;
> there was a lengthy discussion about this and the Board therefore asked
> the members to discuss the issue and make a decision on the matter in 2016.
>
> Board Resolution:
>
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> Membership Vote:
>
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> Finally, there was a comment that we need to achieve a balance between
> fairness and complexity. This comment really resonates with me, given
> that there are possibly as many ways to charge as there are IPv6
> addresses. At the Open House next week, I plan to present updated models
> that take as much of your feedback as possible into account, and of
> course I'll share that information afterwards with the full membership.
>
> Charging Scheme 2024 Open House:
>
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> Kind regards,
>
> Simon Jan Haytink
> Finance Director
> RIPE NCC
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