So let's return IPs received before 2012 and aren't used (I think it is possible to check). There are /16 blocks, may be bigger. Or let's move to IPv6 and the IPv4 problem is closed ----- Best regards, Aleksey Bulgakov FastTelecom, CEO Tel.: +7 926 6908729 17.02.2016, 17:02, "iODC Hostmaster" <hostmaster@iodc.dk>:
Why it is bad to sell IP's? Take a look at the RIPE market... Prices are INSANE, and RIPE is being maximum abused by "brokers" - that's why it is bad, that IP's can be sold, nevertheless it is the reason why it should not be possible to sell!
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-----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] På vegne af Aleksey Bulgakov Sendt: 17. februar 2016 14:50 Til: Thomas Mangin <thomas.mangin@exa-networks.co.uk>; members-discuss@ripe.net Emne: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
What is bad to sell IPs? You tell the same, if someone buy some gold or oil and burn it to increase the price and make prifit, but the Members are still receiving the IPs. What is the difference will they receive IPs from the RIPE NCC directly or anyone will sell it?
----- Best regards, Aleksey Bulgakov FastTelecom, CEO Tel.: +7 926 6908729
17.02.2016, 16:38, "Thomas Mangin" <thomas.mangin@exa-networks.co.uk>:
Hi,
So .. replying to myself :wink:
Proposed solution:
You make a new lir to get a /22 ok, then you cannot sell the ip address space. If the lir is for whatever reason closed the ip address space should be requested back. Nobody will create a new lir for a /22 and pay the fees required if the address space given it`s tied to that lir, it will just be to expensive.
I would love to live in a world where this solution works.
When you forbid a product which has customer (buying IP space, drugs, other) all you are doing is moving the problem to an un-regulated market where the buyer (the innocent network who NEEDS the IP space and is down the wall) is going to be abused (US prohibition / war on drugs).
While I morally totally agree with the principle, I can not see how it can be applied in a way which does not create more problems than it fixes.
Thomas
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