Re: [members-discuss] Reply: Re: Reply: Re: A request to terminate ENOG

5 Mar 2022

      Not to mention, that it will loose, unfortunately.

A long lasting guerrilla warfare tops.

Still, I do not get the  point of taking the political mess into 
inter-OP cooperation, network coordination.

Our duty is to provide connectivity, and keep registries.

On 06.03.2022 0:30, Зимницкий Алексей wrote:
...
Your ostensible hysteria is so disgusting.
You are a very poor performer.
06.03.2022, 00:25, "Alexander Shikov" <a.shikov@itcons.net.ua>:
I don't give a shit what you or other russia-supportes will think
    about me.
    The only thing I care about right now, is when your smelly army
    leaves my country.
    Since 2014, when Russia annexed Crimea and created so-called DPR
    and LPR with
    the hands of its puppets and regular army, we were too polite. We
    took care of
    community, we respected RIPE neutrality, and so on. Someone should
    remember a case from 2014, when RIPE NCC allocated resources to
    non-existent
    entity from so-called DPR.
But you see, the problem of russians is that they admit only their
    position.
    They don't care about other position or rights. They do not adhere
    to any
    international treaties. They just disrespect all other world. They
    were shitting
    in the heads of EU citizens too long via their propaganda channels
    like Sputnik,
    Russia Today, etc. And as a result we have this war.
ENOG is dead from 2014. I don't know how we're going to meet
    russians on other
    events in future, I cannot think about that right now.
I clearly understand that this discussion is not a right place for
    my texts,
    but someone had to say that.
To those who's still supporting Russian politics, please have a look
    - streets of Kharkiv after massive shelling from russian MRLS:
    https://www.linkedin.com/posts/activity-6905590268439916544-VRFA
    - unarmed ukrainians in Melitopol are forcing russian militaries
    to get out of city:
    https://www.linkedin.com/posts/activity-6905804699363332096-yHd3
    - Bila Tserkva after strike of cruise missile:
    https://www.linkedin.com/posts/andrii_prayforukraine-activity-69058313279127...
    - destroyed russian military vehicles in center of Bucha, town
    near Kyiv:
    https://cdn3.suspilne.media/images/resize/1040x2.5/6230fcffacf26b80.jpg
    - ukrainian soldies are evacuating civilians from Irpen, destroyed
    by russian shellings:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW_QG8YBgGI&t=114s
    <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW_QG8YBgGI&t=114s>
    ... and so on, so on, infinite photos and videos of how Russia
    "protects"
    people.
And after all these crimes someone are trying to keep "ENOG
    community"?
    We're really going to vote?!
    Moreover, someone keeps supporting Russia? Hey, Italian person,
    cowardly hiding
    your real name behind a role, do you support killing of peaceful
    civilians?
    Don't you think that Ukraine will forget about that?
Now I'm off.
P.S. I kindly thank to those who support us in this war. Ukraine
    will win.
On Sat, Mar 05, 2022 at 22:18:09 +0300, Зимницкий Алексей wrote:
    Do not make fool of yourself
    05.03.2022, 22:13, "Alexander Shikov"
        <a.shikov@itcons.net.ua>:
      Did your grandpa support Hitler?
              On Sat, Mar 05, 2022 at 19:44:34 +0100, Amministrazione
        Viama srl wrote:
          Alex I would instead support Russia because many or
        to precise better, no one
              understand
                  really what happening.
                  I stand with Russia. It's my personal opinion.
                  Thanks Russia.
          Il 5 mar 2022 13:01, alex <[1]alex@mac3.ru> ha scritto:
          It is funny to watch how some sponsoring LIR
        members, who receive money from Russian
                  companies display hate against Russia. Feeling
        comfortable sitting on two chairs,
              eh?
                  Alexey Berezhnev CEO
                  MACTREE SYSTEMS
                  [1]79032697800
                  [2][2]alex@mac3.ru
          oh those sweet dreams…….
            Суббота, 5 марта 2022, 12:44 +03:00 от Mikael mk.
        Krantz
              <[3][3]mikael@noackgroup.se>:
          I would like to see the shutdown of internet to
        Russia. Shutdown of all LIR's
              connected to
                  Russia and I would like all the ip-resources taken
        back from Russia.
                  There is no point letting them use the resources
        that Europe gives them. Let them
              fall into
                  a isolated country without any access to resources
        from the rest of the world.
                  Let them freeze let them have no money. Let them
        have no access or ability to travel
              to any
                  nice warm country.
                  Just shut them down.
                  Regards
                  mikael krantz
                  -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
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                  Ämne: [members-discuss] Reply: Re: A request to
        terminate ENOG
                  I would like to stipuate that using obscene lexics
        is unacceptable under any
              circumstances.
                  > When I read these stories about democracy, voting,
        etc. nonsense, I
                  > cant't believe my eyes.
                  >
                  > The soap bubble burst. The world from 02/24/2022
        is definitely
                  > different. Wake up. Sober up. Don't drink vodka,
        don't smoke grass.
                  > Take off your pink glasses. They shoot civilians
        people their houses,
                  > cluster bombs kill children.
                  >
                  > And you're fu*king about democracy and neutrality.
                  >
                  > If the world fails to stop the aggressors, let
        their own people disarm
                  > them. Go to work!
                  >
                  > --
                  > Stary Bezpiek
                  >
                  > Слава Україні!
                  > русский корабль иди нахуй!
                  >
                  > W dniu [6]05.03.2022 o 09:03, George Porter via
        members-discuss pisze:
                  > >
                  > > The fact is that Russia has attacked a sovereign
        country . The
                  > > Russian army is killing, yes KILLING ordinary
        people, so RIPE
                  > > standup and be counted and do what is needed to
        make Russia feel
                  > > isolated. Close all ties with Russia.
                  > >
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                  > > *From:*members-discuss
        <[14][9]members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> *On Behalf
                  > > Of *C A
                  > > *Sent:* 04 March 2022 20:42
                  > > *To:* NOC <[15][10]noc@medsigroup.ru>
                  > > *Cc:* ENOG <[16][11]enog@ripe.net>;
        [17][12]discuss@enog.org; Members Discuss
                  > > <[18][13]members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE
        Programme Committee
              <[19][14]pc@ripe.net>;
                  > > [20][15]support@voks.ua; ENOG Programme
        Committee <[21][16]pc@enog.org>;
                  > > [22][17]exec-board@ripe.net
                  > > *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] A request to
        terminate ENOG
                  > >
                  > > Why is this political nonsense polluting my inbox?
                  > >
                  > > The chair stepped down. Organise a new chair.
                  > >
                  > > If the community doesnt exist it will die on
        it's own through lack
                  > > of participation.
                  > >
                  > > Stop with the cancel culture shenanigains.
                  > >
                  > > On Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 21:37 NOC,
        <[23][18]noc@medsigroup.ru> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > Спасибо, что поправили.
                  > > ?
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > С уважением,
                  > > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич
                  > >
                  > > Руководитель проектов
                  > > Департамента развития инфраструктуры
                  > > Блока по информационным технологиям
                  > > АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ»
                  > > тел. [24]+7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. [25]11011
                  > > моб.[26]+7 (915) 119-89-58
                  > >
                  > > [27][19]www.medsi.ru <https://www.medsi.ru/>
        <[28][20]http://www.medsi.ru>
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > -----Original Message-----
                  > > From: [29][21]ripe@voks.ua
        [mailto:[30][22]ripe@voks.ua]
                  > > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 11:30 PM
                  > > To: NOC <[31][23]noc@medsigroup.ru>
                  > > Cc: Denys Fedoryshchenko
        <[32][24]nuclearcat@nuclearcat.com>;
                  > > [33][25]exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG
        <[34][26]enog@ripe.net>;
              [35][27]discuss@enog.org;
                  > > Members Discuss
        <[36][28]members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme
                  > > Committee <[37][29]pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme
        Committee <[38][30]pc@enog.org>
                  > > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to
        terminate ENOG
                  > >
                  > > Если это вопрос - в конце должен стоять
        вопросительный знак, не
                  > > так ли?
                  > >
                  > > --
                  > > [39][31]www.voks.ua <https://www.voks.ua/>
        <[40][32]http://www.voks.ua>
                  > >
                  > > On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:27:22PM +0000, NOC wrote
                  > > > Добрый вечер!
                  > > > А мы тут политику обсуждаем или насущные
        технические вопросы!
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > С уважением,
                  > > > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич
                  > > >
                  > > > Руководитель проектов
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                  > > > тел. [41]+7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. [42]11011
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        <[44][34]http://www.medsi.ru>
                  > > >
                  > > > -----Original Message-----
                  > > > From: members-discuss
                  > >[mailto:[45][35]members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On
                  > > > Behalf Of Denys Fedoryshchenko
                  > > > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:07 PM
                  > > > To: [46][36]exec-board@ripe.net; ENOG
        <[47][37]enog@ripe.net>;
                  > >[48][38]discuss@enog.org;
                  > > > Members Discuss
        <[49][39]members-discuss@ripe.net>; RIPE Programme
                  > > Committee
                  > > > <[50][40]pc@ripe.net>; ENOG Programme
        Committee <[51][41]pc@enog.org>
                  > > > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to
        terminate ENOG
                  > > >
                  > > > If there are doubts about the viability of the
        existence of
                  > > ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting
        procedures.
                  > > > When individuals try to decide the fate of a
        large community,
                  > > reinforcing the importance of their decision
        with their official
                  > > position or/and personal circumstances, this is
        not right at all.
                  > > >
                  > > > Considering that many of the people are in a
        difficult
                  > >emotional
                  > > state and a state of great stress, which
        interfere with their
                  > > ability making proper decisions, i propose to
        vote on this
                  > >matter
                  > > in the fall.
                  > > > I hope by this time the events will have
        settled down.
                  > > >
                  > > > Peace for all, NO TO WAR.
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote:
                  > > > > Peace,
                  > > > > (which is my usual greeting message, always
        was, and will
                  > >ever
                  > > be, —
                  > > > > because the only thing I've always valued
        the most is peace)
                  > > > >
                  > > > > As the Programme Committee Chair of the
        Eurasian Network
                  > > Operators
                  > > > > Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due
        respect, request that
                  > > the RIPE
                  > > > > Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and
        cancel all the
                  > > potential
                  > > > > future meetings indefinitely.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the
        decision of the
                  > >RIPE
                  > > > > Executive Board, and it was assumed to be
        incorporating
                  > > Ukrainian,
                  > > > > Russian, Belarusian, Armenian,
        Azerbaijanian, and many other
                  > > > > regional communities in the hope of building
        a better shared
                  > > > > Internet space among the communities.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > In view of the recent events (if not even
        the prior events),
                  > >the
                  > > > > said "ENOG community" does not exist
        anymore, and in no way
                  > >it
                  > > could
                  > > > > be clear to the Programme Committee how to
        arrange a
                  > >programme
                  > > for
                  > > > > all the distinct and divided communities
        colloqually
                  > > recognized as
                  > > > > ENOG at the time.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Technically, under normal circumstances, a
        request like this
                  > > > > should've gone through a voting process in
        the PC; however,
                  > >we
                  > > > > currently have several PC members under
        ongoing _missile
                  > > attacks_,
                  > > > > and I therefore don't believe it is sane to
        arrange any vote
                  > > in the PC.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian
        citizen, I
                  > >don't
                  > > > > believe I should assume there's a consensus
        in the entire
                  > >RIPE
                  > > > > Service Region to still invest trust in me,
        without further
                  > >due
                  > > > > diligence, to hold any official community
        position in the
                  > >RIPE
                  > > > > community; therefore, I hereby step down as
        the PC Chair.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC
        Executive Board
                  > >to
                  > > decide
                  > > > > on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC
        Executive Board
                  > >to
                  > > act.
                  > > > > It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive
        Board to
                  > >consider any
                  > > > > future alignments to replace ENOG.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Stay safe.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > --
                  > > > > Töma
                  > > > >
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