I think we use different definitions of medium-sized companies. Medium sized companies, as defined by the European Commission[1], are entities with annual revenue not exceeding 50 MEUR or having a balance sheet 43 MEUR or less. They won't do anything of the sort you suggest. FWIW, even small companies - annual revenue not exceeding or alternatively balance sheet of 10 MEUR or less - won't mind. Not sure about micro-enterprises - definition is annual revenue or balance sheet not exceeding 2 MEUR - but I can guess whether they care or not if they are above the 50th percentile in that category. Kaj [1] Commission Recommendation 2003/361/EC ________________________________ From: Mihail Fedorov via members-discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2026 20:18 Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: [members-discuss] Re: NCC Charging scheme Hello members-discuss! As much as I wanted tired of linear payment schemes implemented no one else wanted. But what’s described in current proposal is nothing close. It’s 100% opposite and CATASTROPHE. First of all - there is strange “cap” on maximum which shifts whole scheme into small and medium LIRs paying 2-10x times more, and sometimes (eg active transfers) even more than huge members. Goal to shift expenses to be proportional to the size of member is not on horizon. This will do nothing, but force medium companies to abandon doing LIR or migrate to different region completely. So for now I only have one question - will there be option to vote for keeping existing model? It seems we have to keep either that or break everything and bring catastrophe. Good work team.
On 10 Mar 2026, at 16:16, thiele@holomua.de wrote:
Hello everyone,
unfortunately, the discussion here in Phase 2 reflects the experiences and contributions from Phase 1 and shows that we are all engaged in a sham discussion here.
RIPE NCC set conditions for the working group in advance that were intended to prevent any discussion of a pricing model based linearly on the amount of RIPE resources (IPs, etc.) used. As a result, only the price limits of models and various ancillary costs can now be discussed. As many members clearly pointed out in Phase 1, this inevitably leads to unfair pricing and thus unfair cost distribution.
According to the class-based Charging scheme models presented, users with small IP resources would have to pay up to 100 times more per IP address per year than users with large IP resources. I personally consider the argument that the latter users would otherwise pay too much and might switch RIRs to be highly questionable, as the associated effort/costs and also the question of whether other RIRs could even provide replacements for these resources suggest that these users would not switch. The models currently presented disadvantage all small and medium-sized users and favor the large early adopters.
It is regrettable that the entire discussion on the pricing model could not/was not allowed to be conducted in an open-ended manner, taking into account another possible model with a linear resource-dependent cost approach.
In my opinion, at least, a fair pricing model can never be achieved with the models currently being presented.
Kind regards
Peter Thiele
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