I am part of the silent listeners, but at your request I will express my opinion: - I have used the RIPE training courses three times in Spain and probably if I had to move to Amsterdam or pay for them I would not have been able to attend them (at least not the three of them). - I have attended many RIPE meetings (in person and also remotely when I can't go). I don't go to a 5 star hotel, my budget is limited so I usualy go to a nearby hotel, but I appreciate that the RIPE meetings have very good facilities, between the hotel and the equipment provided by RIPE. Regarding the meetings themselves, they've been very interesting for me. Not only for what I learn and whay I've participated -believe it or not a lot of policies ares discused in the RIPE meetings, policies that affect all of us- but also for all the people that I have known. I have established some technical relations that probably couldn't been made by mail, so It's a well paid money for me. So I agree with the expenditures in trainings and meetings, but this is not a blank check to the RIPE NCC not to the board. As any other company we're on a strict budget and though RIPE NCC invoices are not our main expense (if RIPE NCC invoices have a great impact in your business, you should review your business plan) we must try to reduce everything and I think that in a 2/3 year timeframe, the RIPE NCC work as an addressing registry will be reduced (no or residual IPv4 addresing assignement, IPv6 assigned in /32 so fewer petitions asked) and a lowering of the budget should be observed, but me must wait and see. Regards, Fernando El 11/10/2011, a las 10:34, <poty@iiat.ru> escribió:
As far as those not contributing in the list "not care" or "agreed with everything" it is unwise to predict "what the membership as a whole wants". All the more nobody can act as God to be able to say: "I know what everybody thinks and what everybody wants". I appreciate the answers of RIPE NCC, but "I am happy to monitor", "Rest assured", "the board is very well paying attention" are not answers the members of the list are waiting for and doesn't bring any clear vision on the process of determination of what changes we should welcomed at GM. The questions at the RIPE meeting will be late and not productive at all. Looking at the expenses in the proposed budget I can see the increase in all parts. I do not agree with the situation. Some time ago in 1998 I was in London attending the RIPE courses. It was 5* hotel and one of the natives said with some sadness, "We all do not live like that!" Maybe we'll look into decreasing the pomp for all our rather technical meetings/courses/hotels...? I'll look also into decreasing the stuff: as soon as it's said they are the best in the industry they can do more than average middle-salaried worker.
Regards, Vladislav Potapov Ru.iiat
-----Original Message----- From: members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss- bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Christian Kaufmann Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 2:54 AM To: Nigel Titley Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] budget 2012
...as Nigel and Fahad said, the board is very well paying attention to the list and what the members want. And for the ones who don't want to send an email to the list, feel free to send a direct email to us or even better feel free to talk to us in person at the next RIPE meeting.:-)
Best regards,
ck
On Oct 11, 2011, at 12:01 AM, Nigel Titley wrote:
On 10/10/2011 22:50, Fahad AlShirawi wrote:
And on my side I am happy to monitor the members' discussion and see what it is the members want and then to bring it up internally. Rest assured Hank that we will consider all concerns where applicable and as much as possible within the constraints we have. Yes, thanks for making this clear, Fahad.
As far as I am aware, all members of the board read this list and take notice of what the members want. Our sometimes difficult job is to try and sort out what the membership as a whole wants, rather than just the dozen or so active contributors to the list.
Always feel free to send any of us a direct personal question or comment, especially if there is a period of quiet. As I've mentioned before, we all have day jobs which sometimes intrude on our board work.
Nigel
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