Hi Simon,
by reading this email and checking the calculator
again I have the feeling
that the "listening to the members" as you say was not
happening. A majority
of the members want a usage based charging scheme (as
per the discussions on
this mailing list) and this is completely not
reflected. Just adding some
more categories with the highest still only arround
10K is not sufficient.
Also what I do not understand is that my personal
account with more or less
one of the lowest resources you can get is already in
Category 2?!?
I can just repeat what I have already done:
It should be billed by real resources used and
directly calculated not
within categories
Smaller LIRs should pay less and bigger LIRs should
pay more
It is important that there is an incentive to get rid
of unused resources
and bring them back, this is only possible when you
pay for every resource
separate, otherwise no-one will take care.
I think this 3 models are not ready for vote and need
to be revised.
Also Model 3 I completely do not understand. Why
should someone pay for
transfers? This just means changes are going on and
something happens. Why
these companies should then pay more? The "bad"
companies are the ones that
do not implement IPv6 and their development just stall
so nothing happens.
Michael
On Apr
12, 2023, at 09:45, Simon-Jan Haytink <simonjh@ripe.net>
wrote:
Dear RIPE NCC members,
I want to thank all those who contributed to the
consultation so far on
the RIPE
NCC Charging Scheme 2024 and the model we should use
for the coming
years.
We can now share three draft models that we
developed based on input from
the
members on the Members Discuss mailing list and in the
Charging Scheme
Open House, as well as from the discussions at the
recent Executive Board
Meeting.
The result is that we are proposing three draft
charging scheme models:
one
category-based and two that are based on the previous
"one LIR account,
one fee" model. We hope to receive feedback on these
models by 19 April so
the Executive Board can propose the final versions on
26 April. The members
will then vote on those three models at the upcoming
General Meeting on
24-26 May.
The three models all aim to fulfil a budget that is
roughly the same as
2023 plus
general cost increases including inflation, so EUR
42-45 million.
By doing this, we can ensure that we can meet the
potential budgetary
requirements for 2024 while retaining the option for
members to redistribute
any excess contributions should we receive excess
funds. The Activity Plan
and Budget will be discussed with members this coming
Autumn.
The three models are available to review at:
https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/member-and-community-consultations/cha
rging-scheme-2024-consultation
We also provide an updated calculator where members
can see for themselves
how much
they might pay under the draft models:https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/member-and-community-consultations/new
-calculator-charging-scheme-2024.xlsx
To summarise the main features of the three models:
Model A - Category Model
This model has ten categories to provide greater
granularity. It also
charges
separately for independent and legacy resources in
exactly the same
way as in previous years. Additionally, a separate 50
EUR ASN assignment fee
has been added. Both separately charged resources do
not contribute to the
category scores. This means there is no double
charging and no specific
charging for transfers or administrative work carried
out by the RIPE NCC.
There is a New /24 IPv4 administration fee to ensure
there is a financial
consequence to joining the IPv4 Waiting List. The fee
would be payable upon
receipt of the /24, and members joining the waiting
list who do not have an
eligible LIR account, would pay the new LIR sign-up
fee to open a new LIR
account and join the waiting list.
With this model, approximately 68% of members would
pay less than the
current
annual fee, with the remaining 32% paying more.
The discussion with members helped us to see that a
category-based model
would
receive significant support from members if the
version was
simplified. Should members see the need to charge for
other elements, then
that can be incorporated into the category model in
the coming years. Any
such additional charges could potentially then reduce
the fees per category.
Model B - Price increase and ASN fee
This model is the exact same as in the previous ten
years, but there is a
price
increase of EUR 150 and a 50 EUR ASN fee to ensure we
can meet our
budgetary requirements while retaining the option for
members to
redistribute any excess contribution should we receive
excess funds.
Model C - Transfer fee and ASN fee
This model is the exact same as in the previous ten
years, but there is a
charge of
EUR 1,000 per transfer to be paid by the receiving
party and a 50
EUR ASN fee to ensure we can meet our budgetary
requirements while retaining
the option for members to redistribute any excess
contribution should we
receive excess funds.
Further information on the charging scheme models is
provided at:
https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/member-and-community-consultations/cha
rging-scheme-2024-consultation/
The RIPE NCC Executive Board believes that a
category-based model is the
best
option to help address uncertainty that might be
caused by
consolidation with multiple LIRs and to provide
greater flexibility and
fairness in how we charge members in the coming years.
On 26 April, the final versions of the charging
schemes that members will
vote on
will be published for the members to consider and
discuss. If you
have comments on the draft charging schemes, we
therefore ask you to comment
on the members-discuss mailing list by 19 April so we
have time to
incorporate any feedback if necessary.
Importantly, we ask all members to register for the
RIPE NCC General
Meeting
where the final decision will be in your hands.
Register to
participate and vote at:
https://my.ripe.net/#/meetings/active
Simon-Jan Haytink
Chief Financial Officer
RIPE NCC
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