Murat TERZIOGLU, actually the main issue is that there is no equality on the membership between LIRs, since we with one /24 pay the same amount as Sebastian with 100k of IPv4 space! And of course, those members with alot of resources feels comfortable with it!
I would like to see those confortability, if there would be an policy/adoption to raise the membership fees to members like Sebastian by 5x more, and let see if he is comfortable with it!

On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 2:45 PM <m.terzioglu@prebits.de> wrote:
Hi,

do you know, how many members took part to the votes? If you compare to the participation generally, it is a big part. And of course it is a reaction of the members, many members.

And the Sponsoring LIR is not a option.

If you followed the complete discussion, there are reasonable critic of many members..

In anyway, if the small resource holder, whereas they are about more than 60% of actual members, make consolidation or move to other options, the problem will again occur for remaining members and the board will try to ensure the budget...

So we will have discussion again. And we don’t have this discussion in this year only. For years there is no solution for this problem and the 700 people showed their reaction in different contexts. 


"Or just quit being a member if you feel it is not worth it. Sponsoring LIRs are available to you." By the way, this is not your decision I think.. This is not a private family company...


If I were someone who owns for example /15 subnet, of course I would prefer to have the offered proposals because the others with only /24 or /23 subnet pay for my resources also...



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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> Im Auftrag von Sebastian Wiesinger
Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Mai 2024 14:27
An: members-discuss@ripe.net
Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members



> On 14. May 2024, at 13:47, Daniel Pearson <daniel@privatesystems.net> wrote:
>
> It's quite obvious that a large portion of the membership is firmly against this: https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/member-proposals/1/ , as of this date, 711 individual LIR's supported a motion to maintain the old charging scheme.



No it is not a large potion. There are roughly 20000 members, you’re talking about 3.5%. I know it is in vogue right now to just demand things, reality, law and facts be damned. Still:

The RIPE NCC needs the budget to keep operating. You can’t just suddenly pull funding because you feel like it. If you want a change (I don’t), go through the available options, the board members explained multiple times what these are and that they’re listening to your complaints. Maintaining the old charging scheme is not one of the available options. So it would be nice if people would accept the reality of the situation instead of repeating the same points ad nauseam.

Or just quit being a member if you feel it is not worth it. Sponsoring LIRs are available to you.


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Sebastian



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