Hi Brandon,
I do not really believe that the purpose of this discussion has ever been garbage collection.
It may seem like that but I doubt it.
As Daniel pointed out, there are stats showing that the RIPE NCC has been allocated 25624(AS16)+5632(AS32)= 31256 out of which 4128 are not assigned yet.
That makes it 27128 assigned ASNs. If each would have a (very low) 50E fee, that would bring ~1.35M Eur additional budget to the RIPE NCC which could be spent on outreach or could be used to lower member fees.
I think that is the discussion we are having and I believe this has always been the reasoning for the presentation at the GM and the noise on the mailing list.
I also think we should forget about garbage collection in ASN16 because it will never happen. If companies/LIRs ever decide to hand ASN16 back, it's only because they want to, nobody will be able to 'force' them, either by adding a fee to the ASN or by chasing them when the ASN is not in use.
From my point of view, ASN16s, once depleted (and we are still a couple of years from that moment), will have a value and will be traded.. if you need one to be able to use communities in BGP, you buy one... otherwise, you get a 32bit from the RIPE NCC for free.
This is my last reply on this topic, I think I have made myself very clear.
Regards,
Elvis
On 29/03/15 15:24, Brandon Butterworth wrote:
I do not really believe that the purpose of this discussion has ever been garbage collection.
It may seem like that but I doubt it.
As Daniel pointed out, there are stats showing that the RIPE NCC has been allocated 25624(AS16)+5632(AS32)= 31256 out of which 4128 are not assigned yet.
That makes it 27128 assigned ASNs. If each would have a (very low) 50E fee, that would bring ~1.35M Eur additional budget to the RIPE NCC which could be spent on outreach or could be used to lower member fees.
I think that is the discussion we are having and I believe this has always been the reasoning for the presentation at the GM and the noise on the mailing list.
I also think we should forget about garbage collection in ASN16 because it will never happen. If companies/LIRs ever decide to hand ASN16 back, it's only because they want to, nobody will be able to 'force' them, either by adding a fee to the ASN or by chasing them when the ASN is not in use.
From my point of view, ASN16s, once depleted (and we are still a couple of years from that moment), will have a value and will be traded.. if you need one to be able to use communities in BGP, you buy one... otherwise, you get a 32bit from the RIPE NCC for free.
This is my last reply on this topic, I think I have made myself very clear.
Regards,
Elvis
On 29/03/15 15:24, Brandon Butterworth wrote:
I'm not that sure anymore, the AS transfer policy is being implemented and ASN16s will soon have a value once the free pool is depleted.People have learnt from v4 that you don't give up scarce things. One day people will pay for them, and as I said the other week if you want to garbage collect them you'd have to charge a high price to make it worth giving up (or pay as others have suggested) and people won't vote for that. A 50 Euro fee is way too low to do it and a pointless complication to the simplified charging scheme. I also doubt the unadvertised figure gives the whole picture, some will be used privately (no idea how many). I think trying to retrofit other hand back schemes now is futile (it was hard to hand back once, back when people wanted to hand back) brandon
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