Salut, On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:50:40PM +0100, Martin List-Petersen wrote:
The ones that get hit are the ones that abused the PI scheme to not pay for PA or RIPE membership. For everyone else it's pretty much something that falls under the table. It's 4.17EUR/month per allocation. If you don't make that kindda money of your PI customers on top of your cost, your business isn't viable. And yeah .. you can just charge it on to them or eat the cost. Latter wouldn't make a difference to the customer as long as they are with you.
That doesn't work for all cases. There are for example things such as non-commercial internet exchanges - the SwissIX for example comes to mind. The SwissIX owns a PI /24 IPv4 network, a /64 IPv6 network and an aut-num for the route server. Since all fiber and switches are sponsored by association members, the connection fee is 0.- With the advent of the new charging scheme, RIPE now suddenly does want (they refuse to make an exception as far as I know) to charge SwissIX the regular fee for PI ressources - which sums up to EUR 150.- per year as far as I can tell. This is not something which can be "reclaimed" from a customer, though - it is simply money a free-of-charge non-profit internet exchange does not have. (And SwissIX is not totally negligible - after all, the 10 locations which are distributed over 2 countries are currently exchanging an aggregated 5 Gbps. With the opening of two new sites in Basel, this won't go down either.) Following your suggestion would mean to ask all non-profit internet exchanges to become profit oriented. I don't see the point in that though. Kind regards, Tonnerre PS. Hello to all those out there who do not want to receive this mail. Please unsubscribe from this mailing list using the LIR Portal - https://lirportal.ripe.net/lirportal/index.html -- SyGroup GmbH Tonnerre Lombard Solutions Systematiques Tel:+41 61 333 80 33 Güterstrasse 86 Fax:+41 61 383 14 67 4053 Basel Web:www.sygroup.ch tonnerre.lombard@sygroup.ch