From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Network Operations Centre
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:00 PM
To: members-discuss@ripe.net
Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Sign-up fee for additional LIR account

Spot on. Is there such a voting system in place with ripe with enough votes to change the policy to something like you have said below?

This no doubt will upset some of the LR's who do have /19 /20 /16 doing nothing with them.



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From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Network Operations Centre
Sent: 21 July 2016 18:33
To: members-discuss@ripe.net
Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Sign-up fee for additional LIR account

You have picked one point out of a longer email but I do acknowledge that but to retort a lot of people got MORE than they needed at the time and the two probably balance out. It really comes down to bad controls early on and LIRs being penalised for it now. Some onus should be put on to RIPE to sort out the mess from the past that would go some way to sorting the issue out.

There is I’m sure a way using all of the many tools we have available be able to prove to RIPE what ips are being used. Something like Netflow data would show the percentage of IPs in use across an allocation and upon proof of exhaustion at the local level be entitled to more. Additionally then people hording should be made to return their IP’s until they need them.


Graham


On 21/07/2016, 18:23, "Gert Doering" <gert@space.net> wrote:

   Hi,

   On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 05:11:03PM +0000, Network Operations Centre wrote:

IMHO the current position is hurting the industry and creating un necessary complexity. The final /8 rule was put in to help new LIRs. As a new small LIR its hindering our growth plans period.

   What would you say today if we had no "final /8 rule" today, and all
   IPv4 space would have been used up 5 years ago?

   In other words: you would not even get a /22 today, if the policy were
   not as restrictive as it is.

   (I find it amazing how loud folks complain about "we cannot get enough!"
   that only are able to get anything at all because all *others* got less
   than they wanted, earlier in the game)

   Gert Doering
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