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Re: [members-discuss] FW: remove from disscusion email list
by iODC Hostmaster 17 Feb '16

17 Feb '16

Moved to Spamhaus and SNDS - thats how it concerns users, who do not wish to be on the list, nor ever signed up to the list. Med venlig hilsen / Best regards NOC [iODC Logo] In & Outbound Datacenter Arnold Nielsens Boulevard 62B, 2650 Hvidovre, Danmark Telefon: 6913 6920, Vagt: 6913 6940 ronnie(a)iodc.dk<mailto:ronnie@iodc.dk> | iodc.dk<http://iodc.dk/> | ssdvps.dk<http://www.ssdvps.dk/> This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. Fra: Dominik Nowacki [mailto:dominik@clouvider.co.uk] Sendt: 17. februar 2016 17:02 Til: iODC Hostmaster <hostmaster(a)iodc.dk>; Rui Magalhães <rmagalhaes(a)estorilsoldigital.com>; members-discuss-bounces(a)ripe.net Cc: new-lir(a)ripe.net; hostmaster(a)ripe.net; members-discuss(a)ripe.net Emne: RE: [members-discuss] FW: remove from disscusion email list And this concerns other users of this list how ? Contact RIPE via their contact form and complain about the issue instead of making a mess on the mailing list that I guess gets delivered to several thousand people! With Kind Regards, Dominik Nowacki Clouvider Limited is a limited company registered in England and Wales. Registered number: 08750969. Registered office: 88 Wood Street, London, United Kingdom, EC2V 7RS. Please note that Clouvider Limited may monitor email traffic data and also the content of email for the purposes of security and staff training. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the intended recipient. If you do not believe you are the intended recipient you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify abuse(a)clouvider.net<mailto:abuse@clouvider.net> of this e-mail immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Clouvider Limited nor any of its employees therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. From: iODC Hostmaster [mailto:hostmaster@iodc.dk] Sent: 17 February 2016 15:59 To: Dominik Nowacki <dominik(a)clouvider.co.uk<mailto:dominik@clouvider.co.uk>>; Rui Magalhães <rmagalhaes(a)estorilsoldigital.com<mailto:rmagalhaes@estorilsoldigital.com>>; members-discuss-bounces(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> Cc: new-lir(a)ripe.net<mailto:new-lir@ripe.net>; hostmaster(a)ripe.net<mailto:hostmaster@ripe.net>; members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: SV: [members-discuss] FW: remove from disscusion email list Please understand, that neither works. Unsubscription from LIR portal and by email does not work - we are still receiving. Med venlig hilsen / Best regards NOC [iODC Logo] In & Outbound Datacenter Arnold Nielsens Boulevard 62B, 2650 Hvidovre, Danmark Telefon: 6913 6920, Vagt: 6913 6940 ronnie(a)iodc.dk<mailto:ronnie@iodc.dk> | iodc.dk<http://iodc.dk/> | ssdvps.dk<http://www.ssdvps.dk/> This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. Fra: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] På vegne af Dominik Nowacki Sendt: 17. februar 2016 16:56 Til: Rui Magalhães <rmagalhaes(a)estorilsoldigital.com<mailto:rmagalhaes@estorilsoldigital.com>>; members-discuss-bounces(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> Cc: new-lir(a)ripe.net<mailto:new-lir@ripe.net>; hostmaster(a)ripe.net<mailto:hostmaster@ripe.net>; members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Emne: Re: [members-discuss] FW: remove from disscusion email list You guys are all aware that you can (and have to) unsubscribe yourself the same way you've subscribed ? Let me quote for you: If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. With Kind Regards, Dominik Nowacki Clouvider Limited is a limited company registered in England and Wales. Registered number: 08750969. Registered office: 88 Wood Street, London, United Kingdom, EC2V 7RS. Please note that Clouvider Limited may monitor email traffic data and also the content of email for the purposes of security and staff training. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the intended recipient. If you do not believe you are the intended recipient you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify abuse(a)clouvider.net<mailto:abuse@clouvider.net> of this e-mail immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Clouvider Limited nor any of its employees therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Rui Magalhães Sent: 17 February 2016 15:47 To: members-discuss-bounces(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> Cc: new-lir(a)ripe.net<mailto:new-lir@ripe.net>; members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; hostmaster(a)ripe.net<mailto:hostmaster@ripe.net> Subject: [members-discuss] FW: remove from disscusion email list Can you kindly remove me from this list and discussion. Thanks you Rui Magalhães Estoril Sol Digital M (ES): +34 619 618 792 M (PT): +351 917 195 135 E-mail: rmagalhaes(a)estorilsoldigital.com<mailto:rmagalhaes@estorilsoldigital.com> Skype: rmmaga http://es.linkedin.com/in/rmmaga/ From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>> on behalf of Jane Davison <jane.davison(a)foehn.co.uk<mailto:jane.davison@foehn.co.uk>> Date: Wednesday 17 February 2016 at 15:44 To: Omar Dallah <o.dallah(a)dot-jo.com<mailto:o.dallah@dot-jo.com>>, "members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>" <members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>>, 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster' <hostmaster(a)ripe.net<mailto:hostmaster@ripe.net>>, 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' <new-lir(a)ripe.net<mailto:new-lir@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Dears, Yes please can you remove me as well for the discussion email list. I have tried to remove and still receiving many emails which is blocking my inbox. Many thanks Jane From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Omar Dallah Sent: 17 February 2016 15:42 To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster'; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' Subject: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Dears, Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help. Regards, Omar Dallah From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Matthijs van Seventer Sent: 17 February 2016 16:58 To: BOGDAN Orasanu; 'Markus'; members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hello all, LIR's that don't use IPv4 adresses should be able to return them. The only parties that will win otherwise are brokers with ridiculous prices. Matthijs Van: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Namens BOGDAN Orasanu Verzonden: woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:53 Aan: 'Markus' <universe(a)truemetal.org<mailto:universe@truemetal.org>>; members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu <claudiu.foleanu(a)thorpanel.com<mailto:claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com>> Onderwerp: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi there, I administer such a small ISP, that had to return somehow by force half of the allocated IP addreses. This way of doing bussiness should not be encouraged by RIPE, i instead of RIPE will ask a huge LIR that managed milions of IP addresses how come they were able to transfer maybe half of them ? They were only reserved and not used ? Or eliberated of usage thtought some means in order to capitalise ? LIR should be able to manage respurces only toward end user and not among LIRs exept and ISP that want to manage their own address space and not for trade. The resource belongs to public not to lirs. Best regards, Bogdan Orasanu Senior Network Administrator SC Expert Net SRL Sent from my Sony Xperia(tm) smartphone ---- Claudiu Foleanu wrote ---- Hi Markus, The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this the resources are sold. It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone will do something like this. We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a new lir we cannot help in the matter. We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address space from Romania with the same issue. Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi Claudiu, Am 17.02.2016<tel:17.02.2016> um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu: > No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the > system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have > the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. [...] can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up? I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro<http://www.ip.ro>) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics> Do they have something to do with what you described? Cheers Markus ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ________________________________ This email has been scanned for spam and viruses by Proofpoint Essentials cloud email security - click here<https://eu1.proofpointessentials.com/index01.php?mod_id=11&mod_option=logit…> to report this email as spam.

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Re: [members-discuss] FW: remove from disscusion email list
by Dominik Nowacki 17 Feb '16

17 Feb '16

How ? I'm a member just like you, just slightly not interested in reading about your problems that do not concern the subject of this list at all. You have a problem with RIPE's service? Contact RIPE! https://www.ripe.net/support/contact Not several thousands of other members, who btw can't help you! With Kind Regards, Dominik Nowacki Clouvider Limited is a limited company registered in England and Wales. Registered number: 08750969. Registered office: 88 Wood Street, London, United Kingdom, EC2V 7RS. Please note that Clouvider Limited may monitor email traffic data and also the content of email for the purposes of security and staff training. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the intended recipient. If you do not believe you are the intended recipient you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify abuse(a)clouvider.net<mailto:abuse@clouvider.net> of this e-mail immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Clouvider Limited nor any of its employees therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. From: MAGNUSSON Sigurdur [mailto:sigurdur.magnusson@swit-ag.ch] Sent: 17 February 2016 16:02 To: Dominik Nowacki <dominik(a)clouvider.co.uk>; Rui Magalhães <rmagalhaes(a)estorilsoldigital.com>; members-discuss-bounces(a)ripe.net Cc: new-lir(a)ripe.net; hostmaster(a)ripe.net; members-discuss(a)ripe.net Subject: AW: [members-discuss] FW: remove from disscusion email list I have tried to remove info(a)swit-ag.ch<mailto:info@swit-ag.ch> using the ticket system and been told this has been removed, but it did not work. So please remove this address. I have already spent quite some time on this. It is wasting time for many people when they receive emails they do not want. Kind regards Siggi Von: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Im Auftrag von Dominik Nowacki Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. Februar 2016 16:56 An: Rui Magalhães <rmagalhaes(a)estorilsoldigital.com<mailto:rmagalhaes@estorilsoldigital.com>>; members-discuss-bounces(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> Cc: new-lir(a)ripe.net<mailto:new-lir@ripe.net>; hostmaster(a)ripe.net<mailto:hostmaster@ripe.net>; members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] FW: remove from disscusion email list You guys are all aware that you can (and have to) unsubscribe yourself the same way you've subscribed ? Let me quote for you: If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. With Kind Regards, Dominik Nowacki Clouvider Limited is a limited company registered in England and Wales. Registered number: 08750969. Registered office: 88 Wood Street, London, United Kingdom, EC2V 7RS. Please note that Clouvider Limited may monitor email traffic data and also the content of email for the purposes of security and staff training. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the intended recipient. If you do not believe you are the intended recipient you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify abuse(a)clouvider.net<mailto:abuse@clouvider.net> of this e-mail immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Clouvider Limited nor any of its employees therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Rui Magalhães Sent: 17 February 2016 15:47 To: members-discuss-bounces(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net> Cc: new-lir(a)ripe.net<mailto:new-lir@ripe.net>; members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; hostmaster(a)ripe.net<mailto:hostmaster@ripe.net> Subject: [members-discuss] FW: remove from disscusion email list Can you kindly remove me from this list and discussion. Thanks you Rui Magalhães Estoril Sol Digital M (ES): +34 619 618 792 M (PT): +351 917 195 135 E-mail: rmagalhaes(a)estorilsoldigital.com<mailto:rmagalhaes@estorilsoldigital.com> Skype: rmmaga http://es.linkedin.com/in/rmmaga/ From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>> on behalf of Jane Davison <jane.davison(a)foehn.co.uk<mailto:jane.davison@foehn.co.uk>> Date: Wednesday 17 February 2016 at 15:44 To: Omar Dallah <o.dallah(a)dot-jo.com<mailto:o.dallah@dot-jo.com>>, "members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>" <members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>>, 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster' <hostmaster(a)ripe.net<mailto:hostmaster@ripe.net>>, 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' <new-lir(a)ripe.net<mailto:new-lir@ripe.net>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Dears, Yes please can you remove me as well for the discussion email list. I have tried to remove and still receiving many emails which is blocking my inbox. Many thanks Jane From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Omar Dallah Sent: 17 February 2016 15:42 To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster'; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' Subject: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Dears, Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help. Regards, Omar Dallah From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Matthijs van Seventer Sent: 17 February 2016 16:58 To: BOGDAN Orasanu; 'Markus'; members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hello all, LIR's that don't use IPv4 adresses should be able to return them. The only parties that will win otherwise are brokers with ridiculous prices. Matthijs Van: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Namens BOGDAN Orasanu Verzonden: woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:53 Aan: 'Markus' <universe(a)truemetal.org<mailto:universe@truemetal.org>>; members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu <claudiu.foleanu(a)thorpanel.com<mailto:claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com>> Onderwerp: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi there, I administer such a small ISP, that had to return somehow by force half of the allocated IP addreses. This way of doing bussiness should not be encouraged by RIPE, i instead of RIPE will ask a huge LIR that managed milions of IP addresses how come they were able to transfer maybe half of them ? They were only reserved and not used ? Or eliberated of usage thtought some means in order to capitalise ? LIR should be able to manage respurces only toward end user and not among LIRs exept and ISP that want to manage their own address space and not for trade. The resource belongs to public not to lirs. Best regards, Bogdan Orasanu Senior Network Administrator SC Expert Net SRL Sent from my Sony Xperia(tm) smartphone ---- Claudiu Foleanu wrote ---- Hi Markus, The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this the resources are sold. It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone will do something like this. We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a new lir we cannot help in the matter. We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address space from Romania with the same issue. Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi Claudiu, Am 17.02.2016<tel:17.02.2016> um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu: > No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the > system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have > the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. [...] can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up? I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro<http://www.ip.ro>) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics> Do they have something to do with what you described? Cheers Markus ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ________________________________ This email has been scanned for spam and viruses by Proofpoint Essentials cloud email security - click here<https://eu1.proofpointessentials.com/index01.php?mod_id=11&mod_option=logit…> to report this email as spam.

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Re: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list
by LARDERET Xavier 17 Feb '16

17 Feb '16

Dears, Can you also remove my email from the list Thanks Xavier Le 17 févr. 2016 16:45, Jane Davison <jane.davison(a)foehn.co.uk> a écrit : Dears, Yes please can you remove me as well for the discussion email list. I have tried to remove and still receiving many emails which is blocking my inbox. Many thanks Jane From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Omar Dallah Sent: 17 February 2016 15:42 To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster'; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' Subject: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Dears, Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help. Regards, Omar Dallah From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Matthijs van Seventer Sent: 17 February 2016 16:58 To: BOGDAN Orasanu; 'Markus'; members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hello all, LIR’s that don’t use IPv4 adresses should be able to return them. The only parties that will win otherwise are brokers with ridiculous prices. Matthijs Van: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] Namens BOGDAN Orasanu Verzonden: woensdag 17 februari 2016 15:53 Aan: 'Markus' <universe(a)truemetal.org<mailto:universe@truemetal.org>>; members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu <claudiu.foleanu(a)thorpanel.com<mailto:claudiu.foleanu@thorpanel.com>> Onderwerp: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi there, I administer such a small ISP, that had to return somehow by force half of the allocated IP addreses. This way of doing bussiness should not be encouraged by RIPE, i instead of RIPE will ask a huge LIR that managed milions of IP addresses how come they were able to transfer maybe half of them ? They were only reserved and not used ? Or eliberated of usage thtought some means in order to capitalise ? LIR should be able to manage respurces only toward end user and not among LIRs exept and ISP that want to manage their own address space and not for trade. The resource belongs to public not to lirs. Best regards, Bogdan Orasanu Senior Network Administrator SC Expert Net SRL Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone ---- Claudiu Foleanu wrote ---- Hi Markus, The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this the resources are sold. It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone will do something like this. We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a new lir we cannot help in the matter. We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address space from Romania with the same issue. Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi Claudiu, Am 17.02.2016<tel:17.02.2016> um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu: > No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the > system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have > the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. [...] can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up? I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro<http://www.ip.ro>) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics> Do they have something to do with what you described? Cheers Markus ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Maarten Dammers Sent: woensdag 17 februari 2016 16:54 To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net Subject: [members-discuss] How to unsubscribe To unsubscribe: mailto:members-discuss-request@ripe.net?subject=unsubscribe (unless RIPE hacked mailman) Met vriendelijke groet / With kind regards, Maarten Dammers Netwerk Expert From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of techno zone Sent: woensdag 17 februari 2016 16:48 To: Twana Othman Cc: RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator; RIPE NCC Hostmaster; members-discuss(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Please remove my email from the discussion email list On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 7:45 AM, Twana Othman <twana.othman(a)tishknet.com> wrote: Dears, Please my email as well. From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Omar Dallah Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 6:42 PM To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster'; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' Subject: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Dears, Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help. Regards, Omar Dallah

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by Maarten Dammers 17 Feb '16

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To unsubscribe: mailto:members-discuss-request@ripe.net?subject=unsubscribe (unless RIPE hacked mailman) Met vriendelijke groet / With kind regards, Maarten Dammers Netwerk Expert From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of techno zone Sent: woensdag 17 februari 2016 16:48 To: Twana Othman Cc: RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator; RIPE NCC Hostmaster; members-discuss(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Please remove my email from the discussion email list On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 7:45 AM, Twana Othman <twana.othman(a)tishknet.com<mailto:twana.othman@tishknet.com>> wrote: Dears, Please my email as well. From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net>] On Behalf Of Omar Dallah Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 6:42 PM To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>; 'RIPE NCC Hostmaster'; 'RIPE NCC LIR Startup Coordinator' Subject: [members-discuss] remove from disscusion email list Dears, Please remove my email from the discussion email list. BTW I removed my email by LIR portal but still receiving the discussion emails. Please help. Regards, Omar Dallah

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Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
by Markus 17 Feb '16

17 Feb '16

Am 17.02.2016 um 16:15 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu: > Hi Markus, > > Yes you are correct. > Space allocated to us by other LIR`s. > Like already said we reported this to the ripe consultant who came to > Bucharest. > I explained for over 2 hour this issue to him. > The report is here : > https://www.ripe.net/participate/member-support/surveys/ripe-ncc-consultatio > ns-report-2015 > But it does not convey the gravity of the situation. > Like i said to the consultant, ripe ncc never notified an end user and told > him that the lir can take the allocated space back. Thanks for explaining.

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Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
by Silviu Vladuti 17 Feb '16

17 Feb '16

Hello I have the same problem! In Romania are 2 companies S.C. GVM SISTEM 2003 S.R.L. IPv4 Management SRL -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Claudiu Foleanu Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:45 PM To: 'Markus' <universe(a)truemetal.org>; members-discuss(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi Markus, The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this the resources are sold. It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone will do something like this. We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a new lir we cannot help in the matter. We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address space from Romania with the same issue. Best regards, Claudiu Foleanu -----Original Message----- From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Markus Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net; Claudiu Foleanu Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple Hi Claudiu, Am 17.02.2016 um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu: > No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the > system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have > the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. [...] can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up? I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics> Do they have something to do with what you described? Cheers Markus ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.

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Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
by Markus 17 Feb '16

17 Feb '16

Am 17.02.2016 um 15:45 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu: > The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user > contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this > the resources are sold. [...] So for some Romanian LIRs it is more profitable to sell the space an end customer has than to keep the customer? About the /22: You are a LIR yourself, does that mean you are talking about address space that was assigned to you from another LIR respectively from a time long ago when you yet weren't a LIR? Just trying to understand the issue. Thank you, Markus

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Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
by Anthony Somerset 17 Feb '16

17 Feb '16

surely your solution would be to get your own LIR rather than “rent” from another if you need that much space? Anthony Somerset, Technical Director, w: cloudunboxed.net <http://www.cloudunboxed.net/> | e: anthony.somerset(a)cloudunboxed.net <mailto:anthony.somerset@cloudunboxed.net> | t: +44 (0)33 0088 2444 Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended for the addressed individual or entity only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and then discard this e-mail. Unauthorized copying, sharing and distributing of this e-mail is prohibited. The content in this e-mail does not necessarily represent the views of the company. The addressee should check all attachments for malware; the company makes no representation as regards the absence of malware in attachments to this e-mail. > On 17 Feb,2016, at 16:45, Claudiu Foleanu <claudiu.foleanu(a)thorpanel.com> wrote: > > Hi Markus, > > The lir send`s a document to the company in wich says "As per end user > contract signed you have 3 months to stop using resources" and after this > the resources are sold. > It happend to a lot (and i do mean a lot) of companies in Romania. I think > that Romania is number one in number of resources (ipv4 address space) sold. > And as i said in my previous email most of them have been in use. I have a > /22 witch is in IRAN now. Sold to an Iranian telecom company by the lir. I > have not received any previous notification. Our callcenter just started > getting calls about internet not working. We did not imagine that someone > will do something like this. > We addressed this issue with ripe-ncc at that time and the reply was find a > new lir we cannot help in the matter. > We should ask a report for tickets created from Romania regarding address > space from Romania with the same issue. > > Best regards, > Claudiu Foleanu > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of > Markus > Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 4:37 PM > To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net; Claudiu Foleanu > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC > Members and Multiple > > Hi Claudiu, > > Am 17.02.2016 um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu: >> No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the >> system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have >> the resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. > [...] > > can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away > from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to > give their resources up? > > I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro) from > your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It > seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from > <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra > nsfers/ipv4/ipv4-transfer-statistics> > > Do they have something to do with what you described? > > Cheers > Markus > > > > > > > > > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general > page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, > you can add or remove addresses. > > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.

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Re: [members-discuss] [comms] [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Members and Multiple
by Markus 17 Feb '16

17 Feb '16

Hi Claudiu, Am 17.02.2016 um 15:26 schrieb Claudiu Foleanu: > No it`s not bad to sell ip`s. It`s bad that the people are abusing the > system. It`s bad that small companies that had a /22 a /24 etc.. have the > resources allocated taken away, and sold for profit. [...] can you elaborate on how these small companies have resources taken away from them? I can't imagine how that works. Who forces these companies to give their resources up? I've noticed that a company called "IPv4 Management SRL" (www.ip.ro) from your country is selling a lot of smaller IPv4 blocks like all the time. It seems like they are the predominant seller in the RIPE market judging from <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tra…> Do they have something to do with what you described? Cheers Markus

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