August 2025 - members-discuss

Does anyone have experience with the seizure of IP addresses at RIPE?
by Thomas Czarnetzki 29 Aug '25

29 Aug '25

Dear, we are the sponsoring LIR of a company that has a claim against a RIPE member in Germany. This claim was confirmed by court judgment through an enforcement order. As part of the compulsory enforcement, there is a garnishment and transfer order instructing RIPE to transfer the members IP addresses. However, RIPE refuses to comply and comes up with all sorts of ideas, e.g. that the creditor should first become a RIPE member, or that the whole matter must first be served to RIPE by a Dutch court, etc. Obviously, RIPE does not seem to care much about applicable EU law and legal proceedings. The lawyer now recommends suing RIPE, since they are not complying with the garnishment order, thereby making themselves liable for damages, and should then directly pay the claim against the RIPE member instead of releasing the IP addresses. That would, of course, be even easier, since nobody would have to deal with the sale of the IPs, etc. Has anyone here ever had any experience with this? Or perhaps an idea how to get RIPE to act in compliance with the law? -- Mit freundlichen Grüssen Thomas Czarnetzki ------------------------------------------------- comtrance - your communication entrance E-Mail: t.czarnetzki(a)comtrance.net Internet: http://www.comtrance.net Telefon: +49 (211) 271 59 - 20 Fax: +49 (211) 271 59 - 21 Notfall-Support (24/7): +49 (211) 271 59 - 15 Unternehmenssitz: comtrance service GmbH | In der Steele 35 | 40599 Düsseldorf Handelsregister: AG Düsseldorf / HRB 96082 | Ust-ID: DE-349229353 | Geschäftsführer: Thomas Czarnetzki Alle unsere Leistungen erfolgen ausschließlich auf Basis unserer Allgemeinen Geschäftsbedingungen.

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Re: Does anyone have experience with the seizure of IP addresses at RIPE?
by Lars Grønlund 25 Aug '25

25 Aug '25

Thread: https://mailman.ripe.net/archives/list/members-discuss@ripe.net/thread/RSMA… Hi Thomas, There is precedent in national courts treating IP addresses as attachable assets (e.g. *Amtsgericht Hamburg, case 67a M 93/19*, and *OLG Wien, case 3 R 195/14y*). The difficulty is that RIPE NCC, under Dutch law, considers them contractual “rights of use” and will only act on a *Dutch court order*. In practice, creditors either secure a voluntary transfer from the debtor or go through proceedings in the Netherlands. Without that, RIPE will not execute a garnishment. Best regards, *Lars Grønlund* GITC ApS · www.gitc.dk

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Re: Does anyone have experience with the seizure of IP addressesat RIPE?
by Jørgen Hovland ☁️ 25 Aug '25

25 Aug '25

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