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Serious concerns about the RIPE NCC Cloud Technology Status
by Timo Hilbrink 12 Nov '24

12 Nov '24

Hi all, As we have seen in the past several Information Services updates from Felipe, the RIPE NCC has been moving a lot of services to the cloud, this now also includes things like RIPE NCC email, calendars, chat and video conferencing. The follwoing page gives a helpful overview of these services and the relevant cloud platforms: https://www.ripe.net/publications/documentation/cloud-technology-status/ The page states that "all services pass an internal process of strict legal, information security, technology and privacy reviews". That all sounds very reassuring, doesn't it? However.. Even though the "Data Residency" column states "EU" for all these services, these cloud providers are a U.S. legal entity (or a foreign entity with an office in the U.S.), so the data stored on these platforms completely falls under U.S. legislation, such as the CLOUD act and numerous related acts and laws. It is completely irrelevant where this data is stored geographically. This also means that the data stored on these platforms can be subject to U.S. law enforcement warrants and subpoenas. As a concerned and privacy aware citizen, i find it very worrying that basically all my interactions with the RIPE NCC in some way end up in the hands of U.S. based cloud providers. But i can imagine that these concerns are much more serious for RIPE members in countries that have a less favourable relation with the U.S. (there are quite a number of those countries within the RIPE service region) What do other members think about this, and has the RIPE NCC taken these consequences into account when they decided to move all this data and services to U.S. based hyperscalers? Thanks for your thoughts, Timo Hilbrink Freedom Internet

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Re: Serious concerns about the RIPE NCC Cloud Technology Status
by sdy＠a-n-t.ru 07 Nov '24

07 Nov '24

As I understand it, our "friends" come from "bile". This is not constructive. You probably don't understand that all these problems will soon surface IN ALL countries. As tensions in the relationship and the crisis increase, the desire to filter content by the authorities will grow rapidly. By the way, this has already begun in the EU, does no one see it? Using cloud platforms, which the United States purposefully "sharpens" for the orange revolutions, under the guise of fighting for security, is STUPID. > Hello. > > I honestly believe it’s not and should not be related to RIPE in any way. If RKN wants to ban certain resources, TLS ECH or entire tech stack - that’s their right and you can ask them directly what to do. > > What is point to ask RIPE about it? RIPE is not required to comply with RKN demands. > >> On 7 Nov 2024, at 19:22, sdy(a)a-n-t.ru wrote: >> >> And so, we just started discussing it and it happened: >> >> Roskomnadzor recommended that owners of Internet resources in Russia abandon the CDN service (content delivery network) of the American CloudFlare >> The agency claims that the company uses technology to provide access to prohibited information, which violates Russian law >> CloudFlare... In October, the TLS ECH (Encrypted Client Hello) >> extension >> was enabled by default on its servers. This technology is a means of circumventing restrictions on access to information prohibited in Russia >> Roskomnadzor assures that CloudFlare was among the Biotech companies that >> the State Department gathered in September >> to discuss a comprehensive and organized counteraction to countries actively defending their information sovereignty >> >> WTF >> >>> I would like to understand what RIPE NCC will do if, at the next round of >>> sanctions, access to the cloud or mail servers becomes completely closed >>> from a number of countries, for example Russia. We have already faced the >>> fact that a huge number of Western services have limited access to their >>> resources and as the war with the Russian Federation is lost, the number >>> of blockages is only growing. >>> >>> Please give me an answer: WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR THIS CASE? >>> ----------------------------- >>> Serbulov Dmitry >>> a-n-t.ru >>> >>> ----- >>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list or change your subscription options, >>> please visit: >>> https://mailman.ripe.net/mailman3/lists/members-discuss.ripe.net/ As we have migrated to Mailman 3, you will need to create an account with >>> the email matching your subscription before you can change your settings. >>> More details at: >>> https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/mailman-3-migration/ >>> >> >> >> ----------------------------- >> С уважением Сербулов Дмитрий >> ООО "Альфа Нет Телеком" >> +7(498)785-8-000 раб. >> +7(495)940-92-11 доп. >> +7(925)518-10-69 сот. >> >> ----- >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list or change your subscription options, please visit: >> https://mailman.ripe.net/mailman3/lists/members-discuss.ripe.net/ As we have migrated to Mailman 3, you will need to create an account with the email matching your subscription before you can change your settings. >> More details at: >> https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/mailman-3-migration/ > ----- > To unsubscribe from this mailing list or change your subscription options, please visit: > https://mailman.ripe.net/mailman3/lists/members-discuss.ripe.net/ As we have migrated to Mailman 3, you will need to create an account with the email matching your subscription before you can change your settings. More details at: https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/mailman-3-migration/ ----------------------------- С уважением Сербулов Дмитрий ООО "Альфа Нет Телеком" +7(498)785-8-000 раб. +7(495)940-92-11 доп. +7(925)518-10-69 сот.

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