February 2020 - members-discuss

Re: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question
by Skyline Telecom 01 Mar '20

01 Mar '20

Dominic, I think the reason is that at the GM RIPE misleadingly said that even if we redistribute only “50%” of the surplus, the amount will be the same as last year. Which clearly it isn’t. Unfortunately many based their votes on what the people at RIPE SAID and they didn’t do the math themselves, otherwise they would have seen that there is a significant difference in amounts. And now RIPE is covered, they will say “you voted, case closed” even though they gave very misleading information. So, that’s why the surplus is so much smaller compared to 2019, and that’s the reason RIPE NCC will also pay taxes to NL authorities, etc etc. Basically, they didn’t want to give money to it’s members, they preferred to give money to the dutch fiscal authority. From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces(a)ripe.net> On Behalf Of Dominic Schallert Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 20:38 To: members-discuss(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question I can‘t understand why the surplus redistribution in 2019 had been EUR 567,52 and in 2020 it’s only EUR 353,82 per LIR. This does not match with the actual new-LIR development figures in 2019 according to https://labs.ripe.net/statistics/number-of-lirs Regards Am 26.02.2020 um 15:26 schrieb Radu-Adrian Feurdean <ripe-ncc(a)radu-adrian.feurdean.net<mailto:ripe-ncc@radu-adrian.feurdean.net>>: On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, at 21:41, Arash Naderpour wrote: It doesn't looks fair to me, but you need to see enough support from the memebers to change it, NCC also like easy money, same as many of others. ...and as most of its members who do enjoy the redistribution (when there is one) the next year. Back to the initial question, the membership fee *IS* pro-rated when you *open* the LIR, sometimes to the advantage of the new member (not including an extra quarter for up to 2 or 3 weeks only). If you perform a merger via "M&A Process", the rules are pretty clear that both LIRs involved need to be with membership fees paid. Even if you would manage to propose a resolution to change this, I'm not sure it will pass. -- Radu-Adrian FEURDEAN _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ds%40schallert.com

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Membership Fee Question
by Ali Vargonen 28 Feb '20

28 Feb '20

Hello, I would like to ask you about the membership fee costs of RIPE, today I learned something new. Maybe it was something common and I was not aware of it. As a member, you need to pay the full amount for the annual year 2020, if you just use the services for 10 days and terminate your membership with Ripe, so if you use services for 10 or 365 days you will be charged the same amount. I asked if it is possible to make it at least Q based, but this is not an option, 6 months based, not an option. You need to pay full year and it is not based on the number of days or (Q based) you are a member of RIPE in the year. Interesting information for me, I do not think its fair, but everybody could think differently. I would like to get your opinions about it. Is it fair to charge a member, who will not be a member in Q2 + Q3 + Q4 for the annual year? Kind Regards, A.V.

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All RIPE NCC Invoices Now Issued
by Simon-Jan Haytink 27 Feb '20

27 Feb '20

Dear all, Due to some administrative changes, we staggered the issuing of invoices this year while still committing to sending them all in February. All invoices have now been sent and are also accessible from the LIR Portal. Apologies for any uncertainty that might have been caused. And if you have any questions, please let us know at <billing(a)ripe.net>. Best regards, Simon Jan Haytink Finance Manager RIPE NCC

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Re: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question
by Schnabeltier 26 Feb '20

26 Feb '20

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Re: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question
by Together pal 26 Feb '20

26 Feb '20

Not for me [image: image.png] On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 2:11 PM Mike Simkins <mike.simkins(a)sungardas.com> wrote: > > > Yes, definitely there > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Together pal <info(a)together-pal.com> > *Sent:* 26 February 2020 20:00 > *To:* Mike Simkins <mike.simkins(a)sungardas.com> > *Cc:* Bora Ismen <bora.ismen(a)nimbevo.com>; Dominic Schallert < > ds(a)schallert.com>; members-discuss(a)ripe.net > *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question > > > > They are not available for me, could you double check your account, I > also contacted RIPE two days ago but still waiting for them to answer. > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 1:57 PM Mike Simkins <mike.simkins(a)sungardas.com> > wrote: > > *They are available in the member (LIR) portal* > > > > > > *From:* members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces(a)ripe.net> *On Behalf Of *Bora > Ismen > *Sent:* 26 February 2020 19:07 > *To:* 'Together pal' <info(a)together-pal.com>; 'Dominic Schallert' < > ds(a)schallert.com> > *Cc:* members-discuss(a)ripe.net > *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question > > > > Not yet, there is 2 more business days in February, and we have not > received any invoices yet. > > > > *From:* members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces(a)ripe.net> *On Behalf Of *Together > pal > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 26, 2020 6:41 PM > *To:* Dominic Schallert <ds(a)schallert.com> > *Cc:* members-discuss(a)ripe.net > *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question > > > > Did anyone got the invoice for 2020 fees?? > > > > Thanks > > > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:39 PM Dominic Schallert <ds(a)schallert.com> > wrote: > > I can‘t understand why the surplus redistribution in 2019 had been EUR > 567,52 and in 2020 it’s only EUR 353,82 per LIR. This does not match with > the actual new-LIR development figures in 2019 according to > https://labs.ripe.net/statistics/number-of-lirs > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__labs.ripe.net_statisti…> > > > > Regards > > > > > > Am 26.02.2020 um 15:26 schrieb Radu-Adrian Feurdean < > ripe-ncc(a)radu-adrian.feurdean.net>: > > On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, at 21:41, Arash Naderpour wrote: > > It doesn't looks fair to me, but you need to see enough support from > > the memebers to change it, NCC also like easy money, same as many of > > others. > > > > ...and as most of its members who do enjoy the redistribution (when there > is one) the next year. > > > > Back to the initial question, the membership fee *IS* pro-rated when you > *open* the LIR, sometimes to the advantage of the new member (not including > an extra quarter for up to 2 or 3 weeks only). > > > > If you perform a merger via "M&A Process", the rules are pretty clear that > both LIRs involved need to be with membership fees paid. Even if you would > manage to propose a resolution to change this, I'm not sure it will pass. > > > > -- > > Radu-Adrian FEURDEAN > > > > _______________________________________________ > > members-discuss mailing list > > members-discuss(a)ripe.net > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.ripe.net_mailman…> > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ds%40schallert.com > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.ripe.net_mailman…> > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss(a)ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.ripe.net_mailman…> > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/info%40together-pal.… > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.ripe.net_mailman…> > >

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Re: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question
by Schnabeltier 25 Feb '20

25 Feb '20

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Re: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question
by Schnabeltier 24 Feb '20

24 Feb '20

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Re: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question
by Schnabeltier 24 Feb '20

24 Feb '20

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Re: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question
by Schnabeltier 24 Feb '20

24 Feb '20

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Re: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question
by Terrence Koeman 24 Feb '20

24 Feb '20

You're paying for an annual membership. Not a quarterly membership or a monthly membership. If you want to terminate it early that's your prerogative, but you get what you pay for even if you don't "use" it. Note that you're paying for a RIPE membership, not RIPE services. A RIPE membership for 2020 funds RIPE as a whole for 2020, if you terminate your membership early RIPE still exists the rest of the year, as do the other members. It looks completely fair to me. Additionally, I recommend that you actually read what you sign in the future. -- Regards, Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. Please quote relevant replies. Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone. ________________________________ From: Arash Naderpour <arash.naderpour(a)gmail.com> Sent: Monday, 24 February 2020 21:43 To: Ali Vargonen Cc: members-discuss(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question > It doesn't looks fair to me, but you need to see enough support from the > memebers to change it, NCC also like easy money, same as many of others. > > Regards, > > Arash > > On Tue, 25 Feb 2020, 02:18 Ali Vargonen, <ali(a)vargonen.com> wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I would like to ask you about the membership fee costs of RIPE, today I > > learned something new. > > Maybe it was something common and I was not aware of it. > > > > As a member, you need to pay the full amount for the annual year 2020, if > > you just use the services for 10 days and terminate your membership with > > Ripe, so if you use services for 10 or 365 days you will be charged the > > same amount. > > > > I asked if it is possible to make it at least Q based, but this is not an > > option, 6 months based, not an option. > > > > You need to pay full year and it is not based on the number of days or (Q > > based) you are a member of RIPE in the year. > > > > Interesting information for me, I do not think its fair, but everybody > > could think differently. I would like to get your opinions about it. > > > > Is it fair to charge a member, who will not be a member in Q2 + Q3 + Q4 > > for the annual year? > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > A.V. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > members-discuss mailing list > > members-discuss(a)ripe.net > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/arash.naderpour%40gm… > >

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Re: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question
by Ali Vargonen 24 Feb '20

24 Feb '20

Hello, - the issue is not about selling ips on our side. - merge two different entities together after 10+ years. In legal wise, if you terminate a contract earlier than the agreed period of time, there is normally a penalty fee. Not pushing hard to make annual payment. The issue is not about money wise on my side. Just trying to learn what you think, and I respect each and every answer of you. Thanks. On 24 Feb 2020, at 18:49, Mark Scholten <info(a)mscholten.eu> wrote: Hello, Maybe they should make an exception if you return at least a /22 IPv4 (or whatever direct allocation you did get from RIPE NCC). That way it would help to reduce the waiting list a bit. If you are going to sell the /22 I don't see a reason to make it cheaper. Also I believe RIPE NCC warns early enough for this (by the end of the previous year). Regards, Mark From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Cynthia Revström Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 16:41 To: Ali Vargonen Cc: members-discuss(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Membership Fee Question Hello, I think it is fair because pretty much the only members it affects are entities with multiple memberships which should not be able to get LIRs even cheaper. - Cynthia On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 4:15 PM Ali Vargonen <ali(a)vargonen.com<mailto:ali@vargonen.com>> wrote: Hello, I would like to ask you about the membership fee costs of RIPE, today I learned something new. Maybe it was something common and I was not aware of it. As a member, you need to pay the full amount for the annual year 2020, if you just use the services for 10 days and terminate your membership with Ripe, so if you use services for 10 or 365 days you will be charged the same amount. I asked if it is possible to make it at least Q based, but this is not an option, 6 months based, not an option. You need to pay full year and it is not based on the number of days or (Q based) you are a member of RIPE in the year. Interesting information for me, I do not think its fair, but everybody could think differently. I would like to get your opinions about it. Is it fair to charge a member, who will not be a member in Q2 + Q3 + Q4 for the annual year? Kind Regards, A.V. _______________________________________________ members-discuss mailing list members-discuss(a)ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/me%40cynthia.re

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