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Discussion on LIRs from Donetsk Area
by Axel Pawlik 01 Jul '15

01 Jul '15

Dear colleagues, To clarify matters relating to the discussion on LIRs from the Donetsk area, I would like to remind you of the RIPE NCC Executive Board's resolution on continuity to service to all members. Please see the statement at: https://www.ripe.net/publications/news/about-ripe-ncc-and-ripe/executive-bo… The RIPE NCC needs to confirm that an entity exists. Dutch law does not restrict the RIPE NCC from using any means it finds appropriate as proof that a legal entity exists. Documents issued by any national authority are considered to be sufficient proof. The RIPE NCC can neither recognise nor deny one state’s authority over a region. Given the situation, the RIPE NCC is striving to facilitate the provision of its services to network operators in this area and does not wish to deny services for political reasons. Our priority remains the provision of services to all our members. kind regards, Axel Pawlik Managing Director RIPE NCC

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Re: [members-discuss] Discussion on LIRs from Donetsk Area
by Samorukov,Alexey 30 Jun '15

30 Jun '15

I am aware of situation were RIPE NCC made registrations based on fake/spoofed documentation. This is the reason why i asked RIPE NCC representatives to check it because it "looks like a Friday joke” (c). I am aware that RIPE NCC members may not be aware about belonging of Donetsk and Lugansk cities or did very relaxed check of the submitted document. Thats it. > > After reading the entire discussion, it seems that it is political debates about territory on which this ORG object was registered. RIPE NCC does not register LIR without documents. Dot. >

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Re: [members-discuss] Discussion on LIRs from Donetsk Area
by Samorukov,Alexey 30 Jun '15

30 Jun '15

> > To clarify matters relating to the discussion on LIRs from the Donetsk > area, I would like to remind you of the RIPE NCC Executive Board's > resolution on continuity to service to all members. Please see the > statement at: > > https://www.ripe.net/publications/news/about-ripe-ncc-and-ripe/executive-bo… <https://www.ripe.net/publications/news/about-ripe-ncc-and-ripe/executive-bo…> > > The RIPE NCC needs to confirm that an entity exists. Dutch law does not > restrict the RIPE NCC from using any means it finds appropriate as proof > that a legal entity exists. Documents issued by any national authority > are considered to be sufficient proof. Thank you for reply, it would be great to have some clarifications, if possible. Does it mean that organization "Center of Internet services in DNR” is exists in Russia? I cant find any references to it in the registries. Also it is not clear what is “national authority” here. Admin-c and tech-c numbers are with Ukrainian prefix. Lugansk is Ukrainian city. DNR itself is a terroristic organization which is located in the Donetsk area (not Lugansk, btw). Could you please check and confirm that all documents were checked properly? Thank you.

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Re: [members-discuss] LIRs from Donetsk area?
by ripe＠ntx.ru 29 Jun '15

29 Jun '15

The should be legal registration address in the correct country. Yuri@ntx Отправлено с устройства Samsung -------- Исходное сообщение -------- От: Sergey Myasoedov <kaa(a)net-art.cz> Дата: 28.06.2015 2:33 (GMT+02:00) Кому: Alexandr Popov <alexp(a)lec.tel>, members-discuss(a)ripe.net Тема: Re: [members-discuss] LIRs from Donetsk area? The only thing is missing is company form. -- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov > On 28 Jun 2015, at 01:05, Alexandr Popov <alexp(a)lec.tel> wrote: > > I think that it is a company registered under Russian law, and having a post address in Lugansk. As Ukrainian company may have a post address in Moscow. This does not conflict international law. Do not panic : ) > > On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 00:33:49 +0200 > Andrei <ipas.master(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> there are 2 variants: >> 1) it's negligence from somebody from ripe ncc staff. >> 2) it's rebels/terrirists supports. And if I understand correctly this lir >> registration could get a legal action based on ukrainian / international >> laws. >> I think this issue must be escalated to ripe ncc manager staff first. >> On Jun 27, 2015 1:08 PM, "Maxim Usatov" <maxim.usatov(a)bcsatellite.net> >> wrote: >>> Alexandr, >>> >>> I am sure you realize what you have said below is nonsense. Eastern >>> Ukraine has not been annexed by Russia thus their mail system is not >>> authorized to carry any correspondence to Ukrainian cities. I will not >>> comment on your "ammo" thing. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Maxim Usatov, Founder and CTO * BusinessCom Networks >>> >>> On 6/27/15 10:27, Alexandr Popov wrote: >>> >>>> Post office does not work in Lugansk. However, the probability of >>>> receiving mail through the RUSSIAN FEDERATION much more than through >>>> UKRAINE. Since between Lugansk and RUSSIAN FEDERATION carried the movement >>>> of people and goods. And between Lugansk and Ukraine only ammo fly. >>>> >>>> On Sat, 27 Jun 2015 09:42:15 +0200 >>>> Andrei <ipas.master(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Yes, this assignment looks like a joke because ripe ncc doesn't >>>> provide >>>> address check. I'm sure the documents could be received by recepient >>>> in >>>> lugans, RUSSIAN FEDERATION. It means the company information is not >>>> valid >>>> and it's RIPE requirements violation from the RIPE NCC staff. >>>> >>>> I'm sure the investigation is requiread and the action against RIPE >>>> NCC >>>> staff is required. >>>> On Jun 27, 2015 1:18 AM, "Sergey Myasoedov" <kaa(a)net-art.cz> wrote: >>>> >>>> To clarify my point: I suppose that some required checks were not >>>> done by >>>> the NCC. At least the company form is missing in the database >>>> object. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Kind regards, >>>> Sergey Myasoedov >>>> >>>> >>>> > On 27 Jun 2015, at 00:59, Alexander Zubkov <green(a)msu.ru> >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > My point was not about this. There was complaints that RIPE NCC >>>> performing bad when registering LIR's. I just wanted to say that >>>> given that >>>> example, there is no reasons to complain on RIPE NCC in given >>>> aspect. >>>> > >>>> > Considering your question. As I know, Lugansk is not a part of >>>> Russia. >>>> It is not me, who have written such address, I do not why they >>>> have done >>>> it. More to say I found it confusing that it is in Lugansk, but >>>> states that >>>> it servicing DNR. But I have a little information about what >>>> interrelations >>>> they have. Do not want to justify somebody, but it is entirely >>>> possible >>>> that this is only option for them to receive mail in Lugansk. >>>> > >>>> > On 06/27/2015 01:17 AM, Yakimus // VOKS support wrote: >>>> >> Hi, Alexander! >>>> >> Sat, 27 Jun 2015 00:53:03 +0300: >>>> >> >>>> >> AZ> Isn't it postal address supplied by LIR almost in free >>>> form? >>>> >> AZ> This can be absolutely legal Russian company with good >>>> >> AZ> papers, which specified such postal address. >>>> >> >>>> >> Is there in real a village/town/city in RF, named Lugansk? >>>> >> >>>> >> address: 93010 >>>> >> address: Lugansk >>>> >> address: RUSSIAN FEDERATION >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> ---- >>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC >>>> members-discuss >>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to >>>> the >>>> general page: >>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ >>>> >>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". >>>> From >>>> here, you can add or remove addresses. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---- >>>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the >>>> general page: >>>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ >>>> >>>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From >>>> here, you can add or remove addresses. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ---- >>> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >>> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the >>> general page: >>> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ >>> >>> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From >>> here, you can add or remove addresses. >>> > > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. > ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.

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Re: [members-discuss] Discussion on LIRs from Donetsk Area
by ripe＠ntx.ru 29 Jun '15

29 Jun '15

Greetings, Agree, such documents could not confirm organisation status. I sugest persons should use real person id, if legal company status is not valid. Or any other people can issue own Republic and create any document by thier own? Yuri@ntx Отправлено с устройства Samsung -------- Исходное сообщение -------- От: Andrei Kushnireuski <ipas.master(a)gmail.com> Дата: 29.06.2015 20:58 (GMT+02:00) Кому: members-discuss(a)ripe.net Тема: Re: [members-discuss] Discussion on LIRs from Donetsk Area Hi. Does it mean the RIPE NCC staff approved the documents issued in Russia with registered address in Lugansk? If I understand correctly Lugansk is not occupied/annexed officially. It’s a part of Ukraine and any provided ’non-Ukrainian’ document is a useless scrap of paper. I don’t understand how is it possible to approve same documents? What is LIR registration based on? I think this registration is a part of big problem which is shown on this page: http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/listings/RIPE > On 29 Jun 2015, at 15:53, Axel Pawlik <axel.pawlik(a)ripe.net> wrote: > > > > Dear colleagues, > > To clarify matters relating to the discussion on LIRs from the Donetsk > area, I would like to remind you of the RIPE NCC Executive Board's > resolution on continuity to service to all members. Please see the > statement at: > > https://www.ripe.net/publications/news/about-ripe-ncc-and-ripe/executive-bo… > > The RIPE NCC needs to confirm that an entity exists. Dutch law does not > restrict the RIPE NCC from using any means it finds appropriate as proof > that a legal entity exists. Documents issued by any national authority > are considered to be sufficient proof. > > The RIPE NCC can neither recognise nor deny one state’s authority over a > region. Given the situation, the RIPE NCC is striving to facilitate the > provision of its services to network operators in this area and does not > wish to deny services for political reasons. > > Our priority remains the provision of services to all our members. > > kind regards, > > Axel Pawlik > Managing Director > RIPE NCC > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. — Andrei Kushnireuski REGID: cz.alfatelecom nic-hdl: AK1065-RIPE ipas.master(a)gmail.com ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.

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Re: [members-discuss] LIRs from Donetsk area?
by Alexandr Popov 28 Jun '15

28 Jun '15

Post office does not work in Lugansk. However, the probability of receiving mail through the RUSSIAN FEDERATION much more than through UKRAINE. Since between Lugansk and RUSSIAN FEDERATION carried the movement of people and goods. And between Lugansk and Ukraine only ammo fly. On Sat, 27 Jun 2015 09:42:15 +0200 Andrei <ipas.master(a)gmail.com> wrote: Yes, this assignment looks like a joke because ripe ncc doesn't provide address check. I'm sure the documents could be received by recepient in lugans, RUSSIAN FEDERATION. It means the company information is not valid and it's RIPE requirements violation from the RIPE NCC staff. I'm sure the investigation is requiread and the action against RIPE NCC staff is required. On Jun 27, 2015 1:18 AM, "Sergey Myasoedov" <kaa(a)net-art.cz> wrote: To clarify my point: I suppose that some required checks were not done by the NCC. At least the company form is missing in the database object. -- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov > On 27 Jun 2015, at 00:59, Alexander Zubkov <green(a)msu.ru> wrote: > > My point was not about this. There was complaints that RIPE NCC performing bad when registering LIR's. I just wanted to say that given that example, there is no reasons to complain on RIPE NCC in given aspect. > > Considering your question. As I know, Lugansk is not a part of Russia. It is not me, who have written such address, I do not why they have done it. More to say I found it confusing that it is in Lugansk, but states that it servicing DNR. But I have a little information about what interrelations they have. Do not want to justify somebody, but it is entirely possible that this is only option for them to receive mail in Lugansk. > > On 06/27/2015 01:17 AM, Yakimus // VOKS support wrote: >> Hi, Alexander! >> Sat, 27 Jun 2015 00:53:03 +0300: >> >> AZ> Isn't it postal address supplied by LIR almost in free form? >> AZ> This can be absolutely legal Russian company with good >> AZ> papers, which specified such postal address. >> >> Is there in real a village/town/city in RF, named Lugansk? >> >> address: 93010 >> address: Lugansk >> address: RUSSIAN FEDERATION >> > ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.

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Re: [members-discuss] LIRs from Donetsk area?
by ripe＠ntx.ru 27 Jun '15

27 Jun '15

+1 Отправлено с устройства Samsung -------- Исходное сообщение -------- От: Sergey Myasoedov <kaa(a)net-art.cz> Дата: 27.06.2015 0:07 (GMT+02:00) Кому: members-discuss(a)ripe.net Тема: [members-discuss] LIRs from Donetsk area? Hi all, It may be looks like a Friday joke, but it is real: alloclist.txt: ru.dnr "Center of Internet services in DNR" 20150626 185.106.128.0/22 ALLOCATED PA 20150626 2a06:3dc0::/29 organisation: ORG-OISI2-RIPE org-name: "Center of Internet services in DNR" org-type: LIR address: 4, Lenina, Rubezhnoe, Luhansk reg., address: 93010 address: Lugansk address: RUSSIAN FEDERATION phone: +380986237344 e-mail: directory(a)dnr-online.net What the documents were provided for LIR registration? The certificate issued by Sealand Principality or what? Are there any kind of due diligence on the incoming documents? Human check? Not sure. -- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov ---- If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses.

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LIRs from Donetsk area?
by Sergey Myasoedov 27 Jun '15

27 Jun '15

Hi all, It may be looks like a Friday joke, but it is real: alloclist.txt: ru.dnr "Center of Internet services in DNR" 20150626 185.106.128.0/22 ALLOCATED PA 20150626 2a06:3dc0::/29 organisation: ORG-OISI2-RIPE org-name: "Center of Internet services in DNR" org-type: LIR address: 4, Lenina, Rubezhnoe, Luhansk reg., address: 93010 address: Lugansk address: RUSSIAN FEDERATION phone: +380986237344 e-mail: directory(a)dnr-online.net What the documents were provided for LIR registration? The certificate issued by Sealand Principality or what? Are there any kind of due diligence on the incoming documents? Human check? Not sure. -- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov

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Re: [members-discuss] LIRs from Donetsk area?
by Alexander Zubkov 27 Jun '15

27 Jun '15

My point was not about this. There was complaints that RIPE NCC performing bad when registering LIR's. I just wanted to say that given that example, there is no reasons to complain on RIPE NCC in given aspect. Considering your question. As I know, Lugansk is not a part of Russia. It is not me, who have written such address, I do not why they have done it. More to say I found it confusing that it is in Lugansk, but states that it servicing DNR. But I have a little information about what interrelations they have. Do not want to justify somebody, but it is entirely possible that this is only option for them to receive mail in Lugansk. On 06/27/2015 01:17 AM, Yakimus // VOKS support wrote: > Hi, Alexander! > Sat, 27 Jun 2015 00:53:03 +0300: > > AZ> Isn't it postal address supplied by LIR almost in free form? > AZ> This can be absolutely legal Russian company with good > AZ> papers, which specified such postal address. > > Is there in real a village/town/city in RF, named Lugansk? > > address: 93010 > address: Lugansk > address: RUSSIAN FEDERATION >

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[#VER-185-22767]: Re: NCC changing descr fields
by Служба п оддержки Flops.ru 05 Jun '15

05 Jun '15

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