Is there a good reason to continue having the unmoderated mailing lists?
Hello everybody, I was going through the mailman instance and came across these two -unmoderated lists: https://mailman.ripe.net/archives/list/members-discuss-unmoderated@ripe.net/ https://mailman.ripe.net/archives/list/ripe-list-unmoderated@ripe.net/ These mailing lists appear to be almost entirely full of spam/garbage, with such items like: * Petroleum Product Allocation * "Signed Contract Agreement.pdf" * "bulletproof RDP/unlimited SMTP/https cpanel" * "DHL Shipping Document/Tracking No Confirmation" * Apply For UK Loan Desire Is there much reason to keep these lists around? I assume keeping it this way poses some challenges towards MTA IP reputation at the very least, and people who are subscribed to a mailing list have some stake in ensuring that they can continue to receive email from RIPE mailing lists! Cheers Ben
On 04.03.25 17:19, Ben Cartwright-Cox via members-discuss wrote:
These mailing lists appear to be almost entirely full of spam/garbage Is there much reason to keep these lists around? I assume keeping it this way poses some challenges towards MTA IP reputation at the very least, and people who are subscribed to a mailing list have some stake in ensuring that they can continue to receive email from RIPE mailing lists!
... how many people(!) *are* subscribed to those lists in the first place? I'd hope that most actual users subscribed to *that* kind of content would have stampeded for the unsub button quite a while ago, if the backscatter from their antispam solution hasn't gotten their list delivery auto-suspended already, anyway ... (No active subscribers, no outgoing listmail, no ill reputation resulting, right? ;-) Kind regards, -- Jochen Bern Systemingenieur Binect GmbH
Hello all, The reason for those lists is because the normal member-discuss list is moderated. In other words: the RIPE NCC staff decides what messages will be send to all members, and which messages aren't shown to the members. To give an insight to all members to which messages aren't send to the main mailinglist, they created these unmoderated lists, on which all messages are shown. This way, the RIPE NCC can prove that they don't play favorites, and hide messages that they don't like or something. Kind regards, Tijn Buijs On 04-03-2025 17:34, Jochen Bern wrote:
On 04.03.25 17:19, Ben Cartwright-Cox via members-discuss wrote:
These mailing lists appear to be almost entirely full of spam/garbage Is there much reason to keep these lists around? I assume keeping it this way poses some challenges towards MTA IP reputation at the very least, and people who are subscribed to a mailing list have some stake in ensuring that they can continue to receive email from RIPE mailing lists!
... how many people(!) *are* subscribed to those lists in the first place? I'd hope that most actual users subscribed to *that* kind of content would have stampeded for the unsub button quite a while ago, if the backscatter from their antispam solution hasn't gotten their list delivery auto-suspended already, anyway ...
(No active subscribers, no outgoing listmail, no ill reputation resulting, right? ;-)
Kind regards,
Hi Ben, The lists were put in place to offer full transparency on the moderation of the lists when that was introduced a couple of years back. See: https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/ripe-mailing-lists/ripe-list-unmoderate... This is an unmoderated archive of the RIPE Discussion List, available for transparency purposes. This archive contains all mails sent within the last three months to the RIPE Discussion List, junk mail, mails sent by non-subscribers and emails that didn't satisfy the moderation criteria. Please be aware that this may contain offensive content. The unmoderated archives are retained for at least three months, all moderated emails can be viewed in the RIPE Discussion List archives. Please note that only subscribers can post to the RIPE Discussion List. And https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/ripe-ncc-mailing-lists/ripe-ncc-members... -hph On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 at 17:49, Ben Cartwright-Cox via members-discuss < members-discuss@ripe.net> wrote:
Hello everybody,
I was going through the mailman instance and came across these two -unmoderated lists:
https://mailman.ripe.net/archives/list/members-discuss-unmoderated@ripe.net/
https://mailman.ripe.net/archives/list/ripe-list-unmoderated@ripe.net/
These mailing lists appear to be almost entirely full of spam/garbage, with such items like:
* Petroleum Product Allocation * "Signed Contract Agreement.pdf" * "bulletproof RDP/unlimited SMTP/https cpanel" * "DHL Shipping Document/Tracking No Confirmation" * Apply For UK Loan Desire
Is there much reason to keep these lists around? I assume keeping it this way poses some challenges towards MTA IP reputation at the very least, and people who are subscribed to a mailing list have some stake in ensuring that they can continue to receive email from RIPE mailing lists!
Cheers Ben ----- To unsubscribe from this mailing list or change your subscription options, please visit: https://mailman.ripe.net/mailman3/lists/members-discuss.ripe.net/ As we have migrated to Mailman 3, you will need to create an account with the email matching your subscription before you can change your settings. More details at: https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/mailman-3-migration/
-- -hph
So in simple terms it’s not a “real” list, but simply a way of viewing the actual list… -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ https://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 I have sent this email at a time that is convenient for me. I do not expect you to respond to it outside of your usual working hours. From: Hans Petter Holen <hph@ripe.net> Date: Tuesday, 4 March 2025 at 19:45 To: Ben Cartwright-Cox <ripencc@benjojo.co.uk> Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: [members-discuss] Re: Is there a good reason to continue having the unmoderated mailing lists? [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please use caution when opening attachments from unrecognised sources. Hi Ben, The lists were put in place to offer full transparency on the moderation of the lists when that was introduced a couple of years back. See: https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/ripe-mailing-lists/ripe-list-unmoderate... This is an unmoderated archive of the RIPE Discussion List, available for transparency purposes. This archive contains all mails sent within the last three months to the RIPE Discussion List, junk mail, mails sent by non-subscribers and emails that didn't satisfy the moderation criteria. Please be aware that this may contain offensive content. The unmoderated archives are retained for at least three months, all moderated emails can be viewed in the RIPE Discussion List archives. Please note that only subscribers can post to the RIPE Discussion List. And https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/ripe-ncc-mailing-lists/ripe-ncc-members... -hph On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 at 17:49, Ben Cartwright-Cox via members-discuss <members-discuss@ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>> wrote: Hello everybody, I was going through the mailman instance and came across these two -unmoderated lists: https://mailman.ripe.net/archives/list/members-discuss-unmoderated@ripe.net/ https://mailman.ripe.net/archives/list/ripe-list-unmoderated@ripe.net/ These mailing lists appear to be almost entirely full of spam/garbage, with such items like: * Petroleum Product Allocation * "Signed Contract Agreement.pdf" * "bulletproof RDP/unlimited SMTP/https cpanel" * "DHL Shipping Document/Tracking No Confirmation" * Apply For UK Loan Desire Is there much reason to keep these lists around? I assume keeping it this way poses some challenges towards MTA IP reputation at the very least, and people who are subscribed to a mailing list have some stake in ensuring that they can continue to receive email from RIPE mailing lists! Cheers Ben ----- To unsubscribe from this mailing list or change your subscription options, please visit: https://mailman.ripe.net/mailman3/lists/members-discuss.ripe.net/ As we have migrated to Mailman 3, you will need to create an account with the email matching your subscription before you can change your settings. More details at: https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/mailman-3-migration/ -- -hph
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Ben Cartwright-Cox -
Hans Petter Holen -
Jochen Bern -
Michele Neylon - Blacknight -
Tijn Buijs