Re: [members-discuss] Re: Serious concerns about the RIPE NCC Cloud Technology Status
As I understand it, our "friends" come from "bile". This is not constructive. You probably don't understand that all these problems will soon surface IN ALL countries. As tensions in the relationship and the crisis increase, the desire to filter content by the authorities will grow rapidly. By the way, this has already begun in the EU, does no one see it? Using cloud platforms, which the United States purposefully "sharpens" for the orange revolutions, under the guise of fighting for security, is STUPID. > Hello. > > I honestly believe it’s not and should not be related to RIPE in any way. If RKN wants to ban certain resources, TLS ECH or entire tech stack - that’s their right and you can ask them directly what to do. > > What is point to ask RIPE about it? RIPE is not required to comply with RKN demands. > >> On 7 Nov 2024, at 19:22, sdy@a-n-t.ru wrote: >> >> And so, we just started discussing it and it happened: >> >> Roskomnadzor recommended that owners of Internet resources in Russia abandon the CDN service (content delivery network) of the American CloudFlare >> The agency claims that the company uses technology to provide access to prohibited information, which violates Russian law >> CloudFlare... In October, the TLS ECH (Encrypted Client Hello) >> extension >> was enabled by default on its servers. This technology is a means of circumventing restrictions on access to information prohibited in Russia >> Roskomnadzor assures that CloudFlare was among the Biotech companies that >> the State Department gathered in September >> to discuss a comprehensive and organized counteraction to countries actively defending their information sovereignty >> >> WTF >> >>> I would like to understand what RIPE NCC will do if, at the next round of >>> sanctions, access to the cloud or mail servers becomes completely closed >>> from a number of countries, for example Russia. We have already faced the >>> fact that a huge number of Western services have limited access to their >>> resources and as the war with the Russian Federation is lost, the number >>> of blockages is only growing. >>> >>> Please give me an answer: WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR THIS CASE? >>> ----------------------------- >>> Serbulov Dmitry >>> a-n-t.ru >>> >>> ----- >>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list or change your subscription options, >>> please visit: >>> https://mailman.ripe.net/mailman3/lists/members-discuss.ripe.net/ As we have migrated to Mailman 3, you will need to create an account with >>> the email matching your subscription before you can change your settings. >>> More details at: >>> https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/mailman-3-migration/ >>> >> >> >> ----------------------------- >> С уважением Сербулов Дмитрий >> ООО "Альфа Нет Телеком" >> +7(498)785-8-000 раб. >> +7(495)940-92-11 доп. >> +7(925)518-10-69 сот. >> >> ----- >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list or change your subscription options, please visit: >> https://mailman.ripe.net/mailman3/lists/members-discuss.ripe.net/ As we have migrated to Mailman 3, you will need to create an account with the email matching your subscription before you can change your settings. >> More details at: >> https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/mailman-3-migration/ > ----- > To unsubscribe from this mailing list or change your subscription options, please visit: > https://mailman.ripe.net/mailman3/lists/members-discuss.ripe.net/ As we have migrated to Mailman 3, you will need to create an account with the email matching your subscription before you can change your settings. More details at: https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/mailman-3-migration/ ----------------------------- С уважением Сербулов Дмитрий ООО "Альфа Нет Телеком" +7(498)785-8-000 раб. +7(495)940-92-11 доп. +7(925)518-10-69 сот.
Am Donnerstag, 7. November 2024, 21:37:59 schrieb sdy@a-n-t.ru:
As I understand it, our "friends" come from "bile". This is not constructive.
You probably don't understand that all these problems will soon surface IN ALL countries. As tensions in the relationship and the crisis increase, the desire to filter content by the authorities will grow rapidly. By the way, this has already begun in the EU, does no one see it?
We live and work part time in Armenia, which IP spaces more and more european IT entities tend to block, because they find it on some list of "countries of risk of breaking sanctions" (as often some GO or "NGO" "recommends" them, because (like georgia and several other small (former soviet) countries), armenia is economically not able to fullfill the sanction wishes of the EU etc. because of huge bilateral dependencies (many armenians work/live in russia and since siviet times near the whole energy supply comes from russia). So unfortunately, at least a growing "political" geoblocking is reality today and should at least be taken into account by RIPEs operations (i.e. by contractual elements which guarantee no geoblocking in the whole RIPE area or similiar and/or fallbacks against sanctions in a part of the RIPE service area). RIPE should act as far as possible agnostic to any politics stuf in parts of the service area (at least i hope this is still in mind at RIPE ß). cheers, niels. -- --- Niels Dettenbach Syndicat IT & Internet https://www.syndicat.com Syndicat.am https://syndicat.am PGP: https://syndicat.com/pub_key.asc ---
Hello, On 12/2/24 11:07 AM, Niels Dettenbach via members-discuss wrote:
So unfortunately, at least a growing "political" geoblocking is reality today and should at least be taken into account by RIPEs operations (i.e. by contractual elements which guarantee no geoblocking in the whole RIPE area or similiar and/or fallbacks against sanctions in a part of the RIPE service area).
this is not a realistic requirement... RIPE can't be above the law. And such blocking can be (and in many cases is) forced by law / goverments / etc... and provider cannot make excuses based on contract with RIPE. And besides, there are other contracts - for example in the media world, where geoblocking is also often required. A contractual ban by RIPE would only mean that the content wouldn't be available online at all, while today it is available at least in a geographically defined region. I don't think this is the way to solve anything. - Daniel
Am Montag, 2. Dezember 2024, 11:56:15 schrieb Daniel Suchy via members- discuss:
this is not a realistic requirement... RIPE can't be above the law. And such blocking can be (and in many cases is) forced by law / goverments / etc... and provider cannot make excuses based on contract with RIPE.
You got me completely wrong here. I did not expect from RIPE to be "above the law" (how i hate these crap politician sermon btw.) - just to plan aware of such potential problems / wise when placing / structure services within the RIPE service area to avoid the influence of one or a few countries onto RIPEs activities and members in other countries. Different countries have different (!) laws - even in the RIPE service area. Many commercial busioness doing (and offer) that as well btw. - to make them more resilient against any political / law developments in some countries of their operating field as well btw.. This is a typical reason why many businesses spread their organisation over more then a single country as well. cheers, niels. -- --- Niels Dettenbach Syndicat IT & Internet https://www.syndicat.com PGP: https://syndicat.com/pub_key.asc ---
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