Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Charging Scheme - Feedback
Hi Randy! I am a small hoster with an < IPv4 /19 equivalent ("Between /19 and /20")—less than 8K IPs for all my new and old customers for almost forever, since it is hard to get new IPv4 space. Yes—for a newcomer that sounds much; but that doesn't make me suddenly a medium-sized or even large LIR. Model A: I would pay €2,593.00 per year only for these subnets. Would I have not 8K IPs, but 65K IPs (8-times so much) I would only pay €4,681.00. For 1 Million IPs (128-times so much) I would only pay €7,137.00. Model B: I would pay €2,895.00 per year only for these subnets. For 65K IPs (8-times so much) I would only pay €4,454.00. For 1 Million IPs (128-times so much) I would only pay €6,715.00. Conclusion: This will have disastrous financial consequences for us, especially since these increases will not stop. This will result in more and more LIRs having to sell their networks to the large LIRs for cost reasons. And you can't even blame the large LIRs for this. --Kayo ---------------------------------------------------------------- From: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> Sent: Monday, 9. Mar 2026 – 17:46 CET +0100 To: Akayo <ripe@akayo.eu> CC: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Charging Scheme - Feedback
the new models will lead to fees of €3,000 per year even for small LIRs.
i played witht he calculator spreadsheet a bit, and that is not what i saw. could you please send an example? thanks. randy
Hi Folks, I can just second what’s already said and it’s simply insane to fuel what’s currently already happening to the Internet overall! Soon all small internet companies (ISP, MSP, LIR, hoster, …) will be forced to going out of business because all those political moves, regulations and cloud apps are just making it impossible to have a sustainable business model anymore so just the big players can survive. I just wonder how RIPE as an organisation will stay in business later when there are just a handful of customers left which are paying peanuts? So much about digging your own grave... — Cheers Wolfgang ______________________________________________________________________________________________ Wolfgang Riedel | Distinguished Engineer | CCIE #13804 | VCP #42559 On 9. Mar 2026, at 18:17, Akayo <ripe@akayo.eu> wrote: Hi Randy! I am a small hoster with an < IPv4 /19 equivalent ("Between /19 and /20")—less than 8K IPs for all my new and old customers for almost forever, since it is hard to get new IPv4 space. Yes—for a newcomer that sounds much; but that doesn't make me suddenly a medium-sized or even large LIR. Model A: I would pay €2,593.00 per year only for these subnets. Would I have not 8K IPs, but 65K IPs (8-times so much) I would only pay €4,681.00. For 1 Million IPs (128-times so much) I would only pay €7,137.00. Model B: I would pay €2,895.00 per year only for these subnets. For 65K IPs (8-times so much) I would only pay €4,454.00. For 1 Million IPs (128-times so much) I would only pay €6,715.00. Conclusion: This will have disastrous financial consequences for us, especially since these increases will not stop. This will result in more and more LIRs having to sell their networks to the large LIRs for cost reasons. And you can't even blame the large LIRs for this. --Kayo ---------------------------------------------------------------- From: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> Sent: Monday, 9. Mar 2026 – 17:46 CET +0100 To: Akayo <ripe@akayo.eu> CC: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE NCC Charging Scheme - Feedback the new models will lead to fees of €3,000 per year even for small LIRs. i played witht he calculator spreadsheet a bit, and that is not what i saw. could you please send an example? thanks. randy To unsubscribe or manage your subscription, log in to the LIR Portal with your RIPE NCC Access account and go to the LIR Account page: https://my.ripe.net/#/account-details. Scroll down to Membership Mailing Lists to update your 'members-discuss' subscription. Having issues unsubscribing? More information about managing your subscription can be found at: https://www.ripe.net/s/members-discuss-subscription-options/
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