I’d guess it’s because the draft for 2025 is written on top of the previous year’s plan and in it, for 2023-2024, there were some savings shown on that page. In any case any savings that were or will be made by optimizing existing costs during 2024 have been proposed to be repurposed within the increased 2025 budget. Sort of tangential, on page 9 bad debt and depreciation, both non-cash items originating from the balance sheet and being written off as expenses, are attributed 17 and 29 euro respectively out of 1800 euro paid for membership. From an accurate income statement point of view, it is true and correct. From a cash flow perspective there is nothing there (non-cash items, remember?) and the 46 euros of the membership fee are spent elsewhere really. :) Kaj Sent from my iPad ________________________________ From: Hank Nussbacher <hank@interall.co.il> Sent: Monday, October 7, 2024 9:25 PM To: members-discuss@ripe.net <members-discuss@ripe.net> Subject: [members-discuss] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] Draft RIPE NCC Activity Plan and Budget 2025 On 02/10/2024 15:29, Hans Petter Holen wrote: I guess I am not understanding something. On page 8 of - https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ripe.net%2Fmedia%2Fdocuments%2FDraft_RIPE_NCC_Activity_Plan_and_Budget_2025.pdf&data=05%7C02%7C%7C216d033a66304be8f21208dce6fd5962%7Cd0b71c570f9b4acc923b81d0b26b55b3%7C0%7C0%7C638639223015197114%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C4000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=yx3QTwVbaHVNmOFnhrVa9iXBBY8RQ58EQRnKhuhKJmk%3D&reserved=0<https://www.ripe.net/media/documents/Draft_RIPE_NCC_Activity_Plan_and_Budget_2025.pdf> you have visualizations for 5 different sections and the title states "Overview of the RIPE NCC Budget and Savings 2025" and the 1st section again states "Budget Savings (in kEUR)" yet in every section the numbers for 2025 are higher than for 2024. Can you explain what is the intention behind the word "savings"? Thanks, Hank
Dear members,
The Draft RIPE NCC Activity Plan and Budget 2025 is now available for your review at:
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In this document, you can learn about our plans for next year and shape the direction we take as an organisation.
In response to members’ questions about our budget, we have included more detailed information in this document about the main costs for each activity and about the staff costs in the RIPE NCC overall. We have also included key takeaways and defined commitments to ensure members can clearly understand the goals of our activities for the coming year. We will also publish two RIPE Labs articles that look at our plans and budget in more detail.
Please read the document and share any feedback on members- discuss@ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss@ripe.net>. The document will be discussed at the General Meeting (GM) alongside RIPE 89 and in the RIPE NCC Services Working Group on Wednesday, 30 October 2024. The Executive Board will consider all feedback on our activities before approving the final version that will be published in December 2024.
We also invite you to participate in an Open House on 9 October from 09:00 to 10:30 (UTC), where you can give feedback on the Draft Activity Plan and Budget directly to the Executive Board and RIPE NCC Management. You can register to attend at:
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All the relevant information for this consultation is available at:
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Please note that if you want to participate or vote in the GM, you will need to register via the General Meeting section in my.ripe.net <http:// my.ripe.net>. You can find all information about the GM, including the draft agenda, at: https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ripe.net%2Fgm%2Foct2024&data=05%7C02%7C%7C216d033a66304be8f21208dce6fd5962%7Cd0b71c570f9b4acc923b81d0b26b55b3%7C0%7C0%7C638639223015322125%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C4000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=CvsIjE6j5IktYD%2BG1vg2B1bRVE3PamtbfwIXJ5Ma5jQ%3D&reserved=0<https://www.ripe.net/gm/oct2024> <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ripe.net%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C216d033a66304be8f21208dce6fd5962%7Cd0b71c570f9b4acc923b81d0b26b55b3%7C0%7C0%7C638639223015338328%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C4000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=YZWBhvaVBLBe%2FV7yZi2EBYQ2uZpPqZG609y6XqaIQM8%3D&reserved=0 gm/oct2024>
Kind regards
Hans Petter Holen
Managing Director
RIPE NCC
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